The History Of Jop Part 27 aka She got one of your kids got you for 18 years

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

And now - the final* Pazz and Jop poll. 2005 - seems like it was yesterday eh?

You have thirteen ticks across 39 boxes - the holdover from last year that I left out was "Galang", if you're interested.


[Poll #904749]


*or potentially penultimate, but I suspect the discussion of the New Times PJ poll will be along the lines of the JP one i.e. poll-free.

2004: Joptimists Verdict

1. Toxic (52 votes - offhand I can't remember anyone ever getting more, and certainly the 91% is huge)
2. Take Me Out (43)
3. What You Waiting For? (38)
4. Chewing Gum (37)
5=. 99 Problems (36)
5=. Galang (36)
7. Heartbeat (33)
8. Drop It Like It's Hot (27)
9. Yeah (Usher) (26)
10. Somebody Told Me (25)

And that's it. If anyone has any ideas for flagship poll series I will take them under consideration!

Comments

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

WOT NO HUMPS

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

the Ferg album is getting better and better! if it was by Gwen everyone would've loved it.

Attention tag team

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

Ur getting a bit lax w/ ur tagging these days.

Prolly more important at this point that the Year In Pop poll you posted earlier gets tagged though.

Re: Attention tag team

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

Will get on it later - have actually been doing work this week, innit!

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Typing it out I was thinking that, but there's a lot of shite lower down the poll.

[koganbot]

Typo for Mike Honest, independent candidate for Sheriff of Houston County. (Is a tribute to the greatness of this list that I didn't come close to ticking this excellent song.)

Xel speaks!

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

What in the name of blue buggering fuck are the Kaiser Chiefs doing with twice as many votes as The Killers?

Re: Xel speaks!

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Fuck the boring Killers, KCs have more than Damian Marley, Missy and Mariah! This is BEYOND COMPREHENSION and UTTERLY INTOLERABLE.

Clash Of The Controversies

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Two of the most 'offensive' (as in I know ppl who were offended by them) songs of 05 sitting next to each other in the poll - "I Predict A Riot" and "Wait (The Whisper Song)". Was there anyone offended by both?

Re: Clash Of The Controversies

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I feel bad that I didn't tick 'Wait' after defending it so staunchly at the time. It obv does not offend me and I still don't understand why it particularly offends anyone else.

'I Predict A Riot' didn't offend me so much as anger me.

Re: Clash Of The Controversies

[byebyepride.livejournal.com]

Well I'm offended by both in that I think the Kaiser Chiefs are outstandingly awful, but I wasn't offended ideologically by I Predict a Riot. I was offended by Wait, even if I was persuaded that it wasn't necessarily meant to be offensive in that way. So I'd say yes to your question!

Wait a minute, this is too deep, too deep

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Mariah is getting diddled :(

I really think 'We Belong Together' is one of the best ballads - and exquisitely performed, listen to her phrasing, it is perfect - of all time.

Re: Wait a minute, this is too deep, too deep

[koganbot]

Yes, excellent phrasing, excellent performance, not sure why I didn't care (but there was so much more to tick anyway); but also it's a ballad, and even good ballads only hit me about 1 in 10 times. Wasn't really taken by the main melody, though the track works pretty well as mood. But also, I way prefer the teen Mariah, breaking from the gate in 2001 and 2002, and she managed to pull off three or four ballads then that I did love, most especially "Can't Let Go," even more especially the live version on Unplugged. That song - I don't know how she did it - has all the melisma and showoff that she was doing then (and that somehow never detracted from the emotion) yet also had a small, poignant float to it, as Ciara's "Oh" did in 2005. (Fascinating that I feel this way, given how different a singer Mariah is from Ciara.)

The ballot I left you for

[koganbot]

1. Kelly Clarkson "Since U Been Gone" (RCA)
2. Rich Boy "Get to Poppin'" (Zone 4/Interscope)
3. Ashlee Simpson "La La" (Geffen)
4. T. Waters "Throw'd Off" (So So Def/Virgin)
5. Deana Carter "The Girl You Left Me For" (Vanguard)
6. Miranda Lambert "Kerosene" (Epic)
7. Foxy Brown f. Sizzla "Come Fly With Me" (Roc-A-Fella)
8. Pharrell Williams f. Gwen Stefani "Can I Have It Like That?" (Star Trak/Interscope)
9. Ciara f. Ludacris "Oh" (LaFace)
10. Daddy Yankee "Gasolina" (V.I.)

December of 2005 was when I rediscovered myself as a critic, taking stock of the year and writing a lot of the stock-taking down on the rolling country thread (where I ended up writing about pretty much anything). None of that stock-taking made it into this Top Ten, "Gasolina" fending off all challenges, but I felt I'd made my way into serious caring. Also into serious joking: "Madonna - I love the single, hate the rest of it. Lindsay Lohan - I hate the single, love the rest of it. (Isn't this what fundamentalists urge us to do: hate the single but love the singer?)" [Did underrate "Confessions Of A Broken Heart" for the sake of the joke. It was more the video I was having issues with. Good discussion between me and Anthony in regard to the vid: starts here, then scattered throughout.]

Re: The ballot I left you for

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I'm surprised 'Gasolina' didn't make it here.

No time to read the thread on Lohan but I loved the single and the video and the rest of it - the video in a wtf-is-she-doing-way, but really that's Lohan's entire appeal right now. What did you hate about Madonna?

Ciara is the best pop star in the world right now

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

In terms of singles at any rate.

Goodies
1 2 Step
Oh
Get Up
Promise
Like A Boy

That is 1x unbeatable run, and better than anyone else has managed since I guess Missy.

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

2005 was before I bought my magic telly box, so my first real grasp of what was enormo-selling pop was ITV's Song Of The Year thing in December, when I first heard 'Humps'. It was also the first time I'd seen the Gwen/Kelly videos the whole way through, and made me quite thankful that I'd latched onto current German dance music instead of current UK pop music (Westlife? Still? And they're STILL going now! Haven't their fans grown out of it yet?). 2006 has been a FAR poppier year for me thanks to Hits!TV.

humps

[the-roofdog.livejournal.com]

I remember watching this with you. And then saying "Surely no actual human being can consider this any good at all."

How wrong I was.

Great Year for Country and Teenpop, bleh for everything else

[justfanoe.livejournal.com]

Greg Fanoe's Theoretical P&J Ballot 2005.

I sent this out to friends, didn't submit it, obv.

1. Rachel Stevens - "I Said Never Again (But Here We Are)"
2. Kelly Clarkson - "Behind These Hazel Eyes"
3. Lee Ann Womack - "I May Hate Myself In The Morning"
4. Ashlee Simpson - "La La"
5. Miranda Lambert - "Kerosene"
6. Natasha Bedingfield - "Unwritten"
7. Kelly Clarkson - "Since U Been Gone"
8. Toby Keith - "As Good As I Once Was"
9. Hilary Duff - "Wake Up"
10. Anna Nalick - "Breathe (2AM)"

Anna Nalick is in that genre that I have a kind of love/hate relationship with. That is, I want to hate the genre, but I keep loving songs in that genre. I'm pleased to see I wouldn't have been the only critic to vote for it, unlike the TashBed song. There was a huge mess of songs fighting for that #10 slot ("L.O.V.E.", "Boyfriend", "Dare", "Stay Fly", "What's In It For Me", etc.) and I'm not sure that I like Anna N. the best of them, but it felt the most right in the top 10, for whatever reason.

I didn't at the time, still don't, and never will understand the ranking of "Alcohol" above "As Good As I Once Was".

Re: Great Year for Country and Teenpop, bleh for everything else

[koganbot]

"Alcohol" is mediocre, but the line about helping white people to dance is really funny, and is what got it across to lots and lots and lots of (white) people. As music (and as a song title) I definitely prefer "Tequila Makes Her Clothes Fall Off."

[dickmalone.livejournal.com]

So, uh, last time anyone listened to The Legendary KO?

[koganbot]

Katrina Nine Months Later

(By the way, Eppy, you ruined my cred: I thought I was going to be the only person to vote for "BYOB.")

[dickmalone.livejournal.com]

1 Elliott, Missy Lose Control (Jacques Lu Cont Remix)
2 Rihanna Pon De Replay
3 Killers, The Mr. Brightside (Jacques Lu Cont's Thin White Duke Mix)
4 Backstreet Boys Incomplete
5 Maxi Geil & Playcolt Makin' Love In The Sunshine
6 Amerie 1 Thing
7 Vitalic My Friend Dario
8 Stevens, Rachel I Said Never Again (But Here We Are)
9 Kelly, R. In The Kitchen
10 Weezer Beverly Hills

I voted for Kelly in '04 so I figured that would get counted in '05 too. I feel like I was being a little grumpy with these votes, but I think it was more of a case of a bunch of different things could have gone after the top 3, and those were just the luck of the draw. I do still think "Incomplete" got shortchanged, though.

[justfanoe.livejournal.com]

"Incomplete" is good, but I definitely prefer "Just Want You To Know", which was a contender for my top 10 until the very end (when I decided to bump it in favor of "Wake Up").

not my ballot cos i wasn't important enough but my top 20 of 05 nevertheless

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

20. Dame - How We Roll
19. Madonna - Hung Up
18. Ce'Cile ft KC Jockey - Gwaan Hype
17. Sugababes - Push The Button
16. The Killers - Mr Brightside (Thin White Duke rmx)
15. tATu - All About Us
14. Petey Pablo ft Rasheeda - Vibrate
13. LCD Soundsystem - Tribulations (Lindstrom rmx)
12. Gwen Stefani - Hollaback Girl
11. MIA - Bucky Done Gun (DJ Marlboro rmx)
10. Rachel Stevens - Negotiate With Love
9. MANDY vs Booka Shade - Body Language
8. Röyksopp - What Else Is There? (Trentemöller rmx)
7. Amerie - 1 Thing
6. Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone
5. Tomas Andersson - Washing Up (Tiga rmx)
4. Vitalic - My Friend Dario
3. Kanye West ft Jamie Foxx - Gold Digger
2. Daddy Yankee ft Pitbull, NORE & Lil Jon - Gasolina (rmx)
1. Ciara ft Ludacris - Oh

Totally underrated 'Hung Up' for some unknown reason!

Don't Cha Wish Ur Girlfriend Had Humps Like Me

[koganbot]

Billboard top 40 singles, 2005

01. "We Belong Together" Mariah Carey
02. "Hollaback Girl" Gwen Stefani
03. "Let Me Love You" Mario
04. "Since U Been Gone" Kelly Clarkson
05. "1,2 Step" Ciara f. Missy Elliott
06. "Gold Digger" Kanye West f. Jamie Foxx
07. "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" Green Day
08. "Candy Shop" 50 Cent f. Olivia
09. "Don't Cha" The Pussycat Dolls f. Busta Rhymes
10. "Behind These Hazel Eyes" Kelly Clarkson
11. "Disco Inferno" 50 Cent
12. "You and Me" Lifehouse
13. "Don't Phunk With My Heart" The Black Eyed Peas
14. "Lose Control" Missy Elliott f. Ciara & Fat Man Scoop
15. "Shake it Off" Mariah Carey
16. "Mr. Brightside" The Killers
17. "Just a Lil Bit" 50 Cent
18. "Pon de Replay" Rihanna
19. "How We Do" The Game f. 50 Cent
20. "Beverly Hills" Weezer
21. "Oh" Ciara f. Ludacris
22. "Lonely No More" Rob Thomas
23. "Drop it Like It's Hot" Snoop Dogg f. Pharrell
24. "Hate It or Love It" The Game f. 50 Cent
25. "Lovers & Friends" Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz f. Usher & Ludacris
26. "Soldier" Destiny's Child f. T.I. & Lil Wayne
27. "Breakaway" Kelly Clarkson
28. "Switch" Will Smith
29. "Let Me Hold You" Bow Wow f. Omarion
30. "Like You" Bow Wow f. Ciara
31. "Rich Girl" Gwen Stefani f. Eve
32. "My Humps" The Black Eyed Peas
33. "Obsession (No Es Amor)" Frankie J f. Baby Bash
34. "Caught Up" Usher
35. "Listen to Your Heart" D.H.T.
36. "Scars" Papa Roach
37. "Feel Good Inc" Gorillaz
38. "Let Me Go" 3 Doors Down
39. "Holiday" Green Day
40. "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" Fall Out Boy

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

That Top 40 really brings home to you the dominance of hip hop and R&B in the US in recent years.

Out of interest, how was this chart (and the 2006 one for that matter) decided? I believe the weekly Billboard singles chart is based on airplay as well as (instead of?) physical sales. So how does that translate into a year-end chart? e.g. How do they avoid week-on-week double counting?

[piratemoggy.livejournal.com]

Although I didn't care much for the genre at the time (other than thinking 'First Day Of My Life' by Bright Eyes was something I would quite like to experience in 3D cinema) I seem to like a lot of emo circa 2005 these days.

Although actually I only selected DCFC as the best song because of the AMAZING mash up of that and 'Hung Up' by Party Ben. Also, 'Soul Meets Body' is a beautiful little pop song.

Heading into the far turn

[koganbot]

Have we ever had such a close race between three contenders this far into the race? (As I type, "Since U Been Gone" is leading "1 Thing" and "Hollaback Girl" by one vote.)

Re: Heading into the far turn

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

just replied to Tom on this. The big three this year are all so DISPARATE! They have so little in common with each other (apart from maybe STRONG WOMEN).

Tournament

[koganbot]

If anyone has any ideas for flagship poll series I will take them under consideration!

Tom, why not a tournament of number ones, as you did for the Now polls? That was great fun. I still remember my agony when Britney missed the Final Four by one vote.

And that would make this contest (Amerie now even with Kelly C.) significant, as two of "Hollaback Girl," "1 Thing," and "Since U Been Gone" are going to get the "Milkshake" treatment.

Re: Tournament

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

I thought about that, but on the other hand there are quite a few crossovers with the Now poll winners. If I can think of a non-repetitive way of doing it then I will!

Statto writes

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Toxic's 52 votes IS the highest ever polled in a Joptimist poll.

However it's only 2nd in percentage terms - "Into The Groove" got 95% in the 1985 poll.

Re: Statto writes

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I really love 'Toxic' but I still don't understand why it's such a consensus pick. (Or rather I do but don't understand why it specifically is a consensus pick!) It actually seems one of the least emotionally resonant Britney singles - the lyrics could be anything at all. This isn't a criticism, just...I'd've thought that consensus picks would have a more straightforward emotional point of engagement.

The big three here are all so...disparate. (I thought 'Gold Digger' was going to join them.)