The History Of Jop Part 27 aka She got one of your kids got you for 18 years

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

And now - the final* Pazz and Jop poll. 2005 - seems like it was yesterday eh?

You have thirteen ticks across 39 boxes - the holdover from last year that I left out was "Galang", if you're interested.


[Poll #904749]


*or potentially penultimate, but I suspect the discussion of the New Times PJ poll will be along the lines of the JP one i.e. poll-free.

2004: Joptimists Verdict

1. Toxic (52 votes - offhand I can't remember anyone ever getting more, and certainly the 91% is huge)
2. Take Me Out (43)
3. What You Waiting For? (38)
4. Chewing Gum (37)
5=. 99 Problems (36)
5=. Galang (36)
7. Heartbeat (33)
8. Drop It Like It's Hot (27)
9. Yeah (Usher) (26)
10. Somebody Told Me (25)

And that's it. If anyone has any ideas for flagship poll series I will take them under consideration!

Comments

Re: Statto writes

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I really love 'Toxic' but I still don't understand why it's such a consensus pick. (Or rather I do but don't understand why it specifically is a consensus pick!) It actually seems one of the least emotionally resonant Britney singles - the lyrics could be anything at all. This isn't a criticism, just...I'd've thought that consensus picks would have a more straightforward emotional point of engagement.

The big three here are all so...disparate. (I thought 'Gold Digger' was going to join them.)

Re: Statto writes

[koganbot]

Oh, yeah, I care about other Britney much more. But maybe it comes across as more adult or something.

Re: Statto writes

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

But no-one cares about emotional resonance! Toxic is a consensus pick because it sounds AMAZING. Also it's a comeback single, the first time she was back-Back-BACK since debuting I'm A Slave 4 U in early September 2001.

Re: Statto writes

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

People do care about emotional resonance, just look at 1 Thing or Since U Been Gone or Crazy or any of the very biggest hits! If it was all about how amazing it sounded - and it does sound amazing but not especially more than any other Britney/nu-pop track - then Madonna and Ciara would be leading this poll.

Re: Statto writes

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

No, those two mostly just roll along, Toxic swirls and swoops and jumps! Hung Up is practically a house track for Christs sake, same beat all the way through.

Re: Statto writes

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Er "being a house track" and "sounding amazing" are far from mutually exclusive. I know 'Toxic' swirls and swoops etc, it just doesn't do it any more than, I dunno, 'Boys' or 'Anticipating' or 'Overprotected'.

Re: Statto writes

[boyofbadgers.livejournal.com]

Dude, Boys is a flat dirge compared to Toxic!

Re: Statto writes

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

Actually I've just realised that I haven't heard this Ciara track, I was thinking of Goodies. Sorry!

Re: Statto writes

[justfanoe.livejournal.com]

Also, 1999 was a particularly loaded poll (from a poptimist standpoint) and I suspect that some people were strategically voting to make sure their favorites won.

PLEASE NOTE: I am not saying the 2003 poll was not amazing (which it was) but that it was obvious all along who was going to win and so there was no point strategically voting. Whereas, I suspect some "No Scrubs" or "Genie In A Bottle" or whatever fans may have intentionally not ticked "Baby One More Time" in order to prevent that from winning.

Re: Statto writes

[justfanoe.livejournal.com]

Also, "Toxic" is good, maybe even great, but "Baby One More Time" is one of the 25 or 50 greatest songs ever.

let's settle this once & for all

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

BRITNEY SINGLES IN ORDER OF GREATNESS

Everytime
I'm A Slave 4 U
Anticipating
Overprotected
Boys
Born To Make You Happy
Stronger
Toxic
Baby One More Time
Oops I Did It Again
Do Somethin'
Lucky
(You Drive Me) Crazy
Me Against The Music
My Prerogative
Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know
I Love Rock'N'Roll
Sometimes
I'm Not A Girl Not Yet A Woman

Re: let's settle this once & for all

[justfanoe.livejournal.com]

Well, Lex, obviously I disagree with this. Normally, I love ballads, and I'm right with you in thinking that the poptimists tend to diddle ballads. But Britney has yet to write a ballad that I thought was really great. Off the top of my head, top 3 is "Baby One More Time", "I'm A Slave 4U", "Toxic".

Re: let's settle this once & for all

[justfanoe.livejournal.com]

Obv. I mean Britney has yet to PERFORM a ballad that I thought was really great.

Re: let's settle this once & for all

[koganbot]

What about "And Then We Kiss"? (Yes, it was a single, made my Jackin' Pop ballot but I dropped it from my Pazz & Jop in favor of "London Bridge." Utterly gorgeous, but hung around a bit too long with this somewhat static gorgeousness. That complaint is relative. I have no trouble sitting back and relaxing with its gorgeousness. Merely decided that "London Bridge" and its dirty toms and lady ho had more.)

Re: let's settle this once & for all

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I have never heard 'And Then We Kiss'! How was it possible that a (good?) new Britney single emerged last year to absolutely 0 fanfare?

Re: let's settle this once & for all

[skyecaptain.livejournal.com]

Fate! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQIoJqHZII) It definitely wasn't promoted as a single (or as anything else)...I remember hearing it around April '06, through random dling or maybe one of those unreadable omnibus pop dump sites, and figured it must have been from the remix alb.

This is the kind of sound that doesn't seem to really take off in the states, though -- pretty, low-key, coasting Eurodance energy.

Re: let's settle this once & for all

[skyecaptain.livejournal.com]

Here's someone who put more effort into the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJFP30gWZM0). But an a cappella version of the song (I guess there are programs that do this?). I kinda like it!

Re: let's settle this once & for all

[koganbot]

Was on the remix alb that came out in 2005 to almost no fanfare in the U.S.; was sent out as a "promo single" last April or so, with several alternate versions included. The physical single was never released and the track probably got little promotion in the U.S. Don't know how much promotion it got elsewhere, but it did get airplay. Someone posted on Wikipedia that it hit number one on "most" Australian stations, though apparently wasn't counted for the charts. Hit number one in Israel, #2 in Indonesia and the Czech Republic, #3 in Hong Kong and Poland, #6 in South Africa (or at least on one of its radio stations), #11 in Lebanon and Tokyo (which I guess has its own chart), #12 in Russian airplay, #15 on the U.S. dance airplay chart (which takes in only nine stations).