The History Of Jop Part 27 aka She got one of your kids got you for 18 years

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

And now - the final* Pazz and Jop poll. 2005 - seems like it was yesterday eh?

You have thirteen ticks across 39 boxes - the holdover from last year that I left out was "Galang", if you're interested.


[Poll #904749]


*or potentially penultimate, but I suspect the discussion of the New Times PJ poll will be along the lines of the JP one i.e. poll-free.

2004: Joptimists Verdict

1. Toxic (52 votes - offhand I can't remember anyone ever getting more, and certainly the 91% is huge)
2. Take Me Out (43)
3. What You Waiting For? (38)
4. Chewing Gum (37)
5=. 99 Problems (36)
5=. Galang (36)
7. Heartbeat (33)
8. Drop It Like It's Hot (27)
9. Yeah (Usher) (26)
10. Somebody Told Me (25)

And that's it. If anyone has any ideas for flagship poll series I will take them under consideration!

Comments

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

WOT NO HUMPS

Attention tag team

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

Ur getting a bit lax w/ ur tagging these days.

Prolly more important at this point that the Year In Pop poll you posted earlier gets tagged though.

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Typing it out I was thinking that, but there's a lot of shite lower down the poll.

Xel speaks!

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

What in the name of blue buggering fuck are the Kaiser Chiefs doing with twice as many votes as The Killers?

Clash Of The Controversies

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Two of the most 'offensive' (as in I know ppl who were offended by them) songs of 05 sitting next to each other in the poll - "I Predict A Riot" and "Wait (The Whisper Song)". Was there anyone offended by both?

Re: Clash Of The Controversies

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I feel bad that I didn't tick 'Wait' after defending it so staunchly at the time. It obv does not offend me and I still don't understand why it particularly offends anyone else.

'I Predict A Riot' didn't offend me so much as anger me.

Re: Clash Of The Controversies

[byebyepride.livejournal.com]

Well I'm offended by both in that I think the Kaiser Chiefs are outstandingly awful, but I wasn't offended ideologically by I Predict a Riot. I was offended by Wait, even if I was persuaded that it wasn't necessarily meant to be offensive in that way. So I'd say yes to your question!

Re: Xel speaks!

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Fuck the boring Killers, KCs have more than Damian Marley, Missy and Mariah! This is BEYOND COMPREHENSION and UTTERLY INTOLERABLE.

Re: Xel speaks!

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

The Damian Marley record is quite boring though (even though I almost ticked it).

Wait a minute, this is too deep, too deep

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Mariah is getting diddled :(

I really think 'We Belong Together' is one of the best ballads - and exquisitely performed, listen to her phrasing, it is perfect - of all time.

The ballot I left you for

[koganbot]

1. Kelly Clarkson "Since U Been Gone" (RCA)
2. Rich Boy "Get to Poppin'" (Zone 4/Interscope)
3. Ashlee Simpson "La La" (Geffen)
4. T. Waters "Throw'd Off" (So So Def/Virgin)
5. Deana Carter "The Girl You Left Me For" (Vanguard)
6. Miranda Lambert "Kerosene" (Epic)
7. Foxy Brown f. Sizzla "Come Fly With Me" (Roc-A-Fella)
8. Pharrell Williams f. Gwen Stefani "Can I Have It Like That?" (Star Trak/Interscope)
9. Ciara f. Ludacris "Oh" (LaFace)
10. Daddy Yankee "Gasolina" (V.I.)

December of 2005 was when I rediscovered myself as a critic, taking stock of the year and writing a lot of the stock-taking down on the rolling country thread (where I ended up writing about pretty much anything). None of that stock-taking made it into this Top Ten, "Gasolina" fending off all challenges, but I felt I'd made my way into serious caring. Also into serious joking: "Madonna - I love the single, hate the rest of it. Lindsay Lohan - I hate the single, love the rest of it. (Isn't this what fundamentalists urge us to do: hate the single but love the singer?)" [Did underrate "Confessions Of A Broken Heart" for the sake of the joke. It was more the video I was having issues with. Good discussion between me and Anthony in regard to the vid: starts here, then scattered throughout.]

Re: Xel speaks!

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

You think so?! I think it's got a terrific sense of drama to it, that echo and the undulating melody - it holds the attention really well throughout. Loads of great covers/knock-offs too - my favourite of which is obv Lil Kim's 'Lighters Up'.

Re: Xel speaks!

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

I think it opens terrifically and then loses its momentum. I think this about quite a lot of roots reggae though. I'd guess.

[koganbot]

Typo for Mike Honest, independent candidate for Sheriff of Houston County. (Is a tribute to the greatness of this list that I didn't come close to ticking this excellent song.)

Re: The ballot I left you for

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I'm surprised 'Gasolina' didn't make it here.

No time to read the thread on Lohan but I loved the single and the video and the rest of it - the video in a wtf-is-she-doing-way, but really that's Lohan's entire appeal right now. What did you hate about Madonna?

Ciara is the best pop star in the world right now

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

In terms of singles at any rate.

Goodies
1 2 Step
Oh
Get Up
Promise
Like A Boy

That is 1x unbeatable run, and better than anyone else has managed since I guess Missy.

Re: Clash Of The Controversies

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

'I still don't understand why it particularly offends anyone else.'

i THINK it MIGHT be to do with the whole misogynistic/violent connotations surrounding the phrase 'beat tha pussy up'

which i CAN understand. but i DIG the track anyway.

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

the Ferg album is getting better and better! if it was by Gwen everyone would've loved it.

Re: Clash Of The Controversies

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

yeah but this is no worse than loads of hip-hop in the DECADE before 'Wait'!

also Lil Kim and Trina are far harder and far more "shocking" than YYT.

Re: Clash Of The Controversies

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

certainly it was no worse than countless other hip-hop tracks over the years. maybe just a weird timing thing. the only sense of controversy i got about it was just thru ILM/bloggers anyway.

i would suggest that women are not taken as seriously in hip-hop GENERALLY still and this contributes to why Kim and Trina get a 'free pass' re 'offensiveness. plus the sense of redressing the balance in a man's world or whatever. perhaps there is no sense to be made of any of this tho.

Re: Attention tag team

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

Will get on it later - have actually been doing work this week, innit!

Re: The ballot I left you for

[koganbot]

Madonna: too few tunes, so every song would start with a gorgeous drift and get my hopes up and then drift to dullness (w/ only two or three exceptions, though I did like the New York/dork song that lots of people thought was the album's one clinker [though didn't think much of that rhyme]). I'd actually voted Stuart Price back in 1999 (Les Rythmes Digitales) so had expectations. Also not in love with her mature, warm voice, which is dull butter or something. (Which hasn't stopped me voting her singles at times: "Frozen," for instance. But my last Madonna love was for Breathless and Truth Or Dare.)

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

2005 was before I bought my magic telly box, so my first real grasp of what was enormo-selling pop was ITV's Song Of The Year thing in December, when I first heard 'Humps'. It was also the first time I'd seen the Gwen/Kelly videos the whole way through, and made me quite thankful that I'd latched onto current German dance music instead of current UK pop music (Westlife? Still? And they're STILL going now! Haven't their fans grown out of it yet?). 2006 has been a FAR poppier year for me thanks to Hits!TV.

Re: Wait a minute, this is too deep, too deep

[koganbot]

Yes, excellent phrasing, excellent performance, not sure why I didn't care (but there was so much more to tick anyway); but also it's a ballad, and even good ballads only hit me about 1 in 10 times. Wasn't really taken by the main melody, though the track works pretty well as mood. But also, I way prefer the teen Mariah, breaking from the gate in 2001 and 2002, and she managed to pull off three or four ballads then that I did love, most especially "Can't Let Go," even more especially the live version on Unplugged. That song - I don't know how she did it - has all the melisma and showoff that she was doing then (and that somehow never detracted from the emotion) yet also had a small, poignant float to it, as Ciara's "Oh" did in 2005. (Fascinating that I feel this way, given how different a singer Mariah is from Ciara.)

Re: Wait a minute, this is too deep, too deep

[koganbot]

I feel that in order to get with modern r&b, Mariah's had to subdue herself. So maybe the perfect phrasing is the problem.