[identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
A very mixed bag, Now 49 - for every Destiny's Child making a (somewhat delayed) bow in a Now poll, there's a Dido. For every Mis-Teeq, a Marti Pellow. A number of strong candidates should make for an intriguing poll.

The last Now poll was the closest for AGES, with Gorillaz finally beating Shaggy and Nelly F by one vote - "Clint Eastwood" is the lowest-rated winner ever, which makes up slightly for it being the first one I don't actually like.


[Poll #740592]


THE TICKNESS
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
The comparison is very apt!

I consider Jess's finest moment to be his labelling of OutKast as the Flaming Lips for the some-of-my-best-friends-are-black set - I don't hate them BUT their rep is some quite dubious undertones to it. I find it extremely off-putting that the whitest commercial hip hop act got automatically accepted as the most 'innovative' hip hop act.
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
It was Ethan who made that Flaming Lips comment iirc.

To which my response remains 'whatever' really. It doesn't alter the fact that 'Hey Ya' is a great pop song. It's equally suspect of people to dismiss Outkast for catering to a wider audience in this way, 'selling out' or whatever.

Surely Eminem is the whitest commercial hip hop act?

From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Eminem being the other token hip hop act to gain acceptance in indie circles, in a way Biggie, Jay-Z, Lil Kim et al never did!
From: [identity profile] zenith.livejournal.com
Arguably Jay-Z DID start to get this right at the 'end' of his career... The Kanye effect.
From: [identity profile] juror8.livejournal.com
What crazy world do you live in when the American indie kid's favourite rapper isn't Jay-Z? You'll be arguing that Dipset aren't indie next.
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oddly enough I don't know many American indie kids. I am talking about the UK indie attitude.
From: [identity profile] juror8.livejournal.com
http://www.last.fm/music/Outkast/+similar

Beck, Cake, Soul Asylum, and The Bangles. Discuss.
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oddly enough I don't care about American indie kids either!
From: [identity profile] zenith.livejournal.com
That's kind of passed now though. Plus Speakerboxxx and a lot of their other material doesn't sound like any of the undie rubbish that is mostly listened to by people who don't listen to mainstream hip hop - it sounds like mainstream hip hop, 'cos it is. The Love Below is different because large chunks of it aren't hop hop at all, QED. Outkast even started an album with a track called 'Gangsta Shit'!

But of course the actual content of the music that gets picked to be the acceptable face of hip hop by the Guardian or whoever never stands up to that kind of scrutiny - the Guardian etc. loves Missy, for example, and is always trying to make her seem to be 'better' (morally) than those other hip hop and r&b people.

The point is, you might as well complain about Missy's rep.
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
it's interesting tho because i don't think anyone complained when De La Soul did 'hippy shit' on their first album. maybe some quarters (West Coast gangsta lovers?) did?

i suppose the difference is that Trugoy didn't pose as a CENTAUR for the CD inlay!

but, that's just a bit of fun surely? i think people, from all sides, have funny ideas about what rappers should and shouldn't do in this regard.
From: [identity profile] juror8.livejournal.com
There was a lot of "De La is gay" stuff in the rap press at the time, claims that they were Uncle Toms and the like... mainly from white writers, to be honest.
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
i think people are far too harsh on Outkast re albums.

i think their inconsistency in this regard is no worse than any other band, certainly not in the hip-hop domain (all hip-hop artists have rub skits on their albums, even Wu-Tang or whoever made some filler)

i can easily consider the many spectacular bits/tracks on their last album more easily than any bad bits.

there was certainly pretension on the album esp. from Andre, but i thought it was backed up by terrific artistry (man).

i guess they're singled out in this way because they're quite poppy but also renowned for innovation in ways that other hip-hoppers aren't.
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
"renowned for innovation in ways that other hip-hoppers aren't" = what does "innovation" mean in particular (ie apart from the flaming lips thing)?

i think outkast are quite boring (i like eminem)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
it basically means there aren't many if any other hip-hop acts out there who could've or would've come up with something like 'B.O.B.'

hindsight i suppose, but it just feels 'correct'!

someone like Ludacris could've been capable of it but i don't think he WOULD'VE done it, for whatever reason

Missy could've done it and that would've been interesting...maybe even more of a hit?

so what makes Outkast broing?

Bring da motherfvckin ruckus

Date: 2006-06-02 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Man I rly want to listen to 36 Chambers RITE NOW.

Terrorize the jam like troops in Pakistan
Swinging through your town like your neighbourhood Spiderman


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