[identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
A very mixed bag, Now 49 - for every Destiny's Child making a (somewhat delayed) bow in a Now poll, there's a Dido. For every Mis-Teeq, a Marti Pellow. A number of strong candidates should make for an intriguing poll.

The last Now poll was the closest for AGES, with Gorillaz finally beating Shaggy and Nelly F by one vote - "Clint Eastwood" is the lowest-rated winner ever, which makes up slightly for it being the first one I don't actually like.


[Poll #740592]


THE TICKNESS
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
The comparison is very apt!

I consider Jess's finest moment to be his labelling of OutKast as the Flaming Lips for the some-of-my-best-friends-are-black set - I don't hate them BUT their rep is some quite dubious undertones to it. I find it extremely off-putting that the whitest commercial hip hop act got automatically accepted as the most 'innovative' hip hop act.
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
It was Ethan who made that Flaming Lips comment iirc.

To which my response remains 'whatever' really. It doesn't alter the fact that 'Hey Ya' is a great pop song. It's equally suspect of people to dismiss Outkast for catering to a wider audience in this way, 'selling out' or whatever.

Surely Eminem is the whitest commercial hip hop act?

From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Eminem being the other token hip hop act to gain acceptance in indie circles, in a way Biggie, Jay-Z, Lil Kim et al never did!
From: [identity profile] zenith.livejournal.com
Arguably Jay-Z DID start to get this right at the 'end' of his career... The Kanye effect.
From: [identity profile] juror8.livejournal.com
What crazy world do you live in when the American indie kid's favourite rapper isn't Jay-Z? You'll be arguing that Dipset aren't indie next.
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oddly enough I don't know many American indie kids. I am talking about the UK indie attitude.
From: [identity profile] juror8.livejournal.com
http://www.last.fm/music/Outkast/+similar

Beck, Cake, Soul Asylum, and The Bangles. Discuss.
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oddly enough I don't care about American indie kids either!
From: [identity profile] zenith.livejournal.com
That's kind of passed now though. Plus Speakerboxxx and a lot of their other material doesn't sound like any of the undie rubbish that is mostly listened to by people who don't listen to mainstream hip hop - it sounds like mainstream hip hop, 'cos it is. The Love Below is different because large chunks of it aren't hop hop at all, QED. Outkast even started an album with a track called 'Gangsta Shit'!

But of course the actual content of the music that gets picked to be the acceptable face of hip hop by the Guardian or whoever never stands up to that kind of scrutiny - the Guardian etc. loves Missy, for example, and is always trying to make her seem to be 'better' (morally) than those other hip hop and r&b people.

The point is, you might as well complain about Missy's rep.
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
it's interesting tho because i don't think anyone complained when De La Soul did 'hippy shit' on their first album. maybe some quarters (West Coast gangsta lovers?) did?

i suppose the difference is that Trugoy didn't pose as a CENTAUR for the CD inlay!

but, that's just a bit of fun surely? i think people, from all sides, have funny ideas about what rappers should and shouldn't do in this regard.
From: [identity profile] juror8.livejournal.com
There was a lot of "De La is gay" stuff in the rap press at the time, claims that they were Uncle Toms and the like... mainly from white writers, to be honest.

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