Jop Tournament Round 1.7

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Nothing hugely dramatic in yesterday's fites - possibly today's will generate more conflict!


[Poll #921728]


Tomorrow: Breeders, Jacko, Eminem, and more from Madge.

Comments

[blue-russian.livejournal.com]

I was filled with indifference today - I could've voted the other way on each and every one of these.

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Seedings: TLC 28, Smiths 12, Britney 20, Destiny's 4.

Decisions:

TLC is iconic, and not overplayed in the way G'n'R is, but "Sweet Child" is more liberating and joyful, and I'm in a good mood today.

Daft Punk is my favourite single ever blah blah. I can see it falling to the Smiths tho.

Britney v Madonna - very hard. "Vogue" is M. at her most regal and wittiest whereas "Oops" is a gauche, but seriously charming, re-run of "...Baby". Typing this I can't even remember which I ticked!

"Say My Name" vs "Love Will": unlike some here I rly like "Love Will", but the Destiny's Child song covers kinda the same territory with so much more drama and heart (and the music's way more dynamic). Easy tick and I'd love to hear anyone's reasons for preferring JD here.

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

'Sweet Child O' Mine' is one of the least liberating and joyful things I have EVER HEARD!!!!!! It is an AWFUL NOISE - even 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' is happier because there is at least the bossa nova cover.

I can't believe you ticked it over TLC :((((((((

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

you hazven't actually heard it lex, you are just YAPPING GEIR-STYLE

tom is right, it is a really sweet song, however TLC are better

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

I'd love to hear anyone's reasons for preferring JD here

1. I was there (I dunno where I was when "say My Name" was a single, but not there)
2. The intro and the outro of LWTUA - two of the biggest rushes in pop

Re: GnRUB more like

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

i wz there too :(

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

The only GnR song I can see real merit in is 'Welcome To The Jungle'. TLC gets an easy tick.

Trickier this as I can never decided whether Morrisey's moaning is perfectly suited to the drone underneath, or just childish whingeing. Benefit of the doubt here as this is the best Smiths song but DP have done much better.

Best Madonna song trumps 5th best Britney song.

Heard LWTUA *way* too many times. And put up with enough people on the dancefloor looking around quizzically for the first ten seconds going "What's this? Ohhhhhhh" even though its played EVERY WEEK argh.

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

Though saying that, the Max M post-middle-eight-rework here is one of his best. OOPS I!

GnRUB more like

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

Have I really missed something with GnR? I like overblown rock stupidity and dodgy hairdos but I find Axl and chums to be the least charismatic rock band ever. Their songs and their attitude just leave me cold. As I said above, I quite like the riff from Welcome To The Jungle but the tweedly bit on Sweet Child is like a lame duck compared with Van Halen, the sing-a-long pop is done better by Bon Jovi and the RAWK is done better by Metallica. And plus they are to blame for the Manics.

Their videos are a different matter entirely - November Rain is magnificent. Shame about the song.

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[http://users.livejournal.com/xyzzzz__/]

Manics are pretty entertaining round 'The Holy Bible'.

They appear to be quite charismatic to me.

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[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

NOT TO ME - this is like saying Pete Doherty is charismatic! Tabloid-friendly cvntiness != charisma.

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[katstevens.livejournal.com]

The Holy Bible is a good album (don't tell anyone I said that) but it also sounds v little like GnR compared to Generation Terrorists etc. In general I dislike the Manics intensely and am quite annoyed that they made a really rather good album so I can't slate them properly.

Axl's screwed up unwashed face and the horrible screeching that emanates from it is far from appealing. The rest of them aren't much better (Slash might as well be on Mars for all he adds to proceedings). There's a lesson there kids: don't be medical guinea pigs for cigarette companies.

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[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's all about Axl's charisma I think! As rock songs go they have better than Swt Child but this is where their rock tendencies meet their epic tendencies halfway (I totally wuv November Rain tho).

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Even easier than yesterday's!

No excuses for anyone ticking G'n'sodding'R over TLC, seriously. None whatsoever. One of the best singles ever versus one of the most atrocious.

I don't even like 'One More Time' but 'How Soon Is Now?' is disgusting. This is the first fight that I haven't actively thought either song was any good at all.

'Vogue' pwns all, 'Oops' isn't actually all that high in the Britney pantheon but I don't even think Britney's best would beat 'Vogue'. STRIKE A POSE, &c.

I have no idea how anyone with ears/soul/heart could pick Joy Division over Destiny's Child. The former is OK but seriously when do you EVER want to listen to it? The latter is heart-stoppingly brilliant and I want to listen to it RIGHT NOW.

Is this going to be a re-run of En Vogue v Nirvana? If so I think we should rename this community BORING ROCK CANONTIMISTS, and then send people to POP RE-EDUCATION CLASSES, which will include MAOIST SELF-DENUNCIATION.

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

My problem with "No Scrubs" is that it wears its ideas out and then keeps going anyway - it's a great, vicious 2 minutes 30 pop song drawn out to 4'30' cos that's how long singles were in 1999: the last 2 minutes is just all chorus cycling round and round and going nowhere really.

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

This is actually completely true (also, it's true of '1 Thing' but sshhhh I want people to keep ticking that). But its ideas are at least listenable in the first place.

[lockedintheatti.livejournal.com]

Annoyingly that's true only of the mix used for radio & on the album; the mix on the video has one of Left Eye's best raps taking up nearly a minute towards the end which really breaks up the repetitiveness and makes it a more interesting record (it's also the best bit of the video - she looks fantastic)

(oh - and of course if you're one of those people who finds Left Eye a bit annoying and samey this argument fails to apply)

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

Haven't voted in TLC v GNR fite yet (indifferent abt both songs). Am open to bribery.

[http://users.livejournal.com/xyzzzz__/]

I'll post a (fantastic!) Xenakis mp3 at sukrat if you vote for GNR!!

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

Done!

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

when i was at w!re i had just four things on multi-repeat on my walkman for like a year (to keep the sukrat stuff at bay)

=
m.jackson dangerous
manics motorcycle e.
GnR illusion 1
MBV loveless

manics to me is the soundtrack to the unfolding news that ROBERT MAXWELL WAS LOST AT SEA

[(Anonymous)]

I always preferred Illusion 2. Mainly, because:

a) It had less swearing on it
b) I lent the tape to a 'friend' and never got it back.

WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE A MANICS CANON?

peace,

guess who

[infov0re.livejournal.com]

I'm not a big "No Scrubs" fan, but I rather like SCOM, despite the slightly overlong wankery at the end.

Daft Punk vs How Soon Is Now is hard for me. Punk get it, because it's more danceable than HSIN by a country mile.

Oops... nope, don't like Oops very much. By contrast, Vogue is awesome. Easy tick.

Nope, don't like Say My Name one bit, and like Joy Division lots, so another easy tick.

I am sure voting like this practically disqualifies me. I mean, the reason I _like_ Generation Terrorists is that it all sounds like GNR. And Kiss. Healing power of Glam, etc.

[jel-bugle.livejournal.com]

Late equaliser for Destiny's Child.

G'N'F'R!

Didn't vote in Daft Punk/Smiths

Britney way better than Madge.

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

DC v JD is making me bite my nails. Poptimists have failed me before, will they do so again?