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A couple of intriguing cross-generational match-ups today, and whatever happens, one Destiny's Child record is going to get the chop.


[Poll #921052]

Voting still open in the previous 16 fites, of course. Tomorrow - Madonna v Britney for the first time, and at least two draws that might break the Lex's tiny heart.

Date: 2007-02-05 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
My heart will only be broken if Aaliyah loses here. Actually scrap that the awful En Vogue catastrophe has already broken it :(

These were all pretty easy! By which I mean VERY easy.

Date: 2007-02-05 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Possibly. But also an LP track.

I ticked Indie Wimmin cos it was my introduction to DC.

Date: 2007-02-05 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshuteki.livejournal.com
Yes, it wasn't on the album. A bit dull, actually.

Date: 2007-02-05 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoshuteki.livejournal.com
Or ha ha, maybe it was on the album. I dunno. I only have the single. Who buys albums, anyway?? ;)

Date: 2007-02-05 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
It was on the album - it's terrific, far more "interesting" and "weird" than Part 1. A lot jerkier, a lot more tuneless, and the lyrics are really quite something, because it's not the female self-empowerment of Part 1 any more - it's a blanket dismissal of everything and everyone in Beyoncé's way, probably the most explicit statement of her shark-eyedness. Of course I adore it, I identify wholly with sentiments like "I am my number one priority/No falling in love, no commitment from me" and the bald contempt in the line "When it's all over please get up and leave".

I really like Part 1 though - prefer 'Bootylicious' but the sheer sound on Part 1 is v satisfyingly rich. There's a terrific moment after the gorgeous harmonies on the middle eight when they launch, megadivastyle, into the chorus again, and after that utterly triumphant "thrown your HANDS up AT ME" there is this tiny synth harpsichord noise which never occurs anywhere else in the song and it works EXQUISITELY, grounding the electricity DC have created.

"on the wings of madness"

Date: 2007-02-05 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
wz my original lovecraftian reading of "thrw yr hands up at me"

this is my favourite DC lp i think -- sterling clover wrote a terrific analysis of it somewhere

Re: "on the wings of madness"

Date: 2007-02-05 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
despite my rating all TWOTW singles above all Survivor singles I agree - Survivor is a terrific album, I think I've read Sterling's analysis.

There was also a Village Voice review written by...someone I forget. Anyway, it summed up exactly why Survivor is such a towering album (Beyoncé's persona in particular) - and then concluded that these were failings!

Date: 2007-02-05 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninebelow.livejournal.com
A couple of intriguing cross-generational match-ups today,

New school all the way.

And the first time my votes have ever coincided with Lex I think!

Date: 2007-02-05 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
At Poptimism I declared Bootylicious my favourite DC song. The final ordering would probably go like this:

1. Booty
2. Bills
3. Throwing some form of hands up at me
4. Name saying.

Date: 2007-02-05 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
DC canon U and K - this Friday!

Date: 2007-02-05 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
As I said last Friday I would combine with the solo stuff. I suspect the results can be easily guessed in advance if just polling on DC's Top 40 hits. Having to choose between B solo and DC might be more taxing and the outcome less predictabubble.

Date: 2007-02-05 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
poor Kelly :(

(the unreleased lead single from the next Kelly album and some of LeToya's album tracks would totally be up there competing with Beyoncé - also 'Dilemma'!)

Date: 2007-02-05 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Well obv Kelly and the rest should be included in the poll too.

DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Bug-A-Boo
Bills Bills Bills
Get On The Bus
Jumpin' Jumpin'
Bootylicious
Say My Name
Lose My Breath
Survivor
Soldier
Independent Women Part 1
No No No
Emotions
With Me
Girl
Cater 2 U

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
NB: I would give TEN of those full marks. DC are THAT GOOD.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lockedintheatti.livejournal.com
You are 100% correct in rating 4 tracks from the Writing on the Wall above all the later stuff. Those top 4 are just absolutely blisteringly good, although I'd have put Get on The Bus top, it's my favourite Timbaland track ever.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justfanoe.livejournal.com
Destiny's Child top 5:

Survivor
Bootylicious
Say My Name
Bills Bills Bills
Jumpin' Jumpin'

A top 5 that could stand up with near any act. As I've said before, if you count Beyonce solo work + "Bonnie and Clyde 03" + Destinys Child you have one of the greatest (top 10, easy) singles acts of all time.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Beyoncé in order:

Irreplaceable
In Da Club
Baby Boy
Ring The Alarm
Work It Out
Crazy In Love
Upgrade U
Déjà Vu
Naughty Girl
Listen
Me Myself And I

'Irreplaceable' probably coming in just below 'Bootylicious' though this is all getting VERY HARD to decide...

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justfanoe.livejournal.com
Top 5:

Irreplaceable
Bonnie & Clyde '03 (if it counts)
Work It Out
Crazy In Love
Baby Boy
Ring the Alarm

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] umlauts.livejournal.com
Wow. Your top 5 are my top 5 too. Thsoe 5 are unimpeachable. I'd rate "Booylicious" above "Bug-A-Boo" but otherwise can't argue with those 5.

"Nasty Girl" was a single too. Though maybe not in the UK. It had an amusing video.

I actually hate quite a number of DC singles too.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
'Nasty Girl' is amazing - just above 'Say My Name' for that. Never a single here though. Ed do you like 'Fancy' off the Survivor album? It is swooping disco greatness, I have a feeling you would like it.

I differ from you in not actually hating any DC singles apart from 'Cater 2 U'. I suspect that what puts you off is exactly what I love about them. I don't hate any Beyoncé solo singles either ('Me Myself And I' is so bland that it could not possibly cause a feeling as strong as "hate").

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
I would have said that "Listen" was close to hatred with me, 'cept I had to just now look up its title, since I'd forgotten - so I can't really claim hatred towards something that's two weeks old and I can't even remember what it's called.

Re: Listen

Date: 2007-02-05 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
I, um, listened to it for the first time yesterday, since it has scraped into the Top 40 this week and will therefore feature in the Top 40 poll on Wednesday.

The song is weak, but it's one of B's best vocal perfs, I think.

Re: Listen

Date: 2007-02-05 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Yeah her voice at the song's climax is quite something.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] umlauts.livejournal.com
"Cater 2 U" is definitely the worst of the worst. But there are some songs that just irk me for some reason. "Independant Women Pt 1" is really weedy and boring. I absolutely detest "Survivor", probably because they all yowl the terrible lyrics as if they were profound. "Lose My Breath", I just never got the love for.

"Fancy" is good.

The only Beyonce solo single I really like is "Irreplaceable". "Crazy In Love" would be v.good without Jay-Z spoiling it.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-06 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oh shhh, Jay-Z is wonderful. Better on 'Deja Vu' though, "now I run the bass, hi-hat and the snare" is so very satisfying to hear.

How can you not love the 'Survivor' lyrics? They are ridiculous and snotty and self-righteous and single-minded and perfect for DIVAS. "You know I'm not gon' diss you on the internet cos my MAMA TAUGHT ME BETTER THAN THAT", etc.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-06 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] umlauts.livejournal.com
Yes, Jay-Z is OK on Deja Vu, because he's not shouting over the actual BEST BIT OF THE SONG, which he does on CiL.

That line about the Internet is one of the worst lines written by anyone, ever. Also, I find the chorus screechy and sloppy.

Re: DC IN ORDER

Date: 2007-02-05 03:25 pm (UTC)
koganbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] koganbot
Top 5:

Survivor
Jumpin Jumpin
Say My Name
Bills Bills Bills
Bug-A-Boo

For what it's worth, Beyoncé's/Destiny's vocals usually leave me cold, "Survivor" being the only real exception: and yet I still think a lot of this is amazing. "Jumpin Jumpin" was one of the biggest kiddie pop hits of 2000. I just loved the idea of eight-year-olds dancing to something with vastly more complex rhythms than anything the Beatles (for instance) ever put out.

Date: 2007-02-05 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-russian.livejournal.com
Yep, easy for me, too. Only had to think momentarily about ABC (I wonder if it's better than the Isaac Hayes version I was listening to yesterday).

EASY EASY EASY

Date: 2007-02-05 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomewells.livejournal.com
1. Aaliyah wins as much for her own merits as because Fite For Your Rite isn't actually that good.

2. I have no idea how the ABC song goes.

3. Independent Woman pwns Bootylicious for the middle eight and the coda alone.

4. Don't You Want Me wins because I'm frankly bored of Got Your Money (see also Fite For Your Right).

Date: 2007-02-05 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-russian.livejournal.com
Actually this gives me an idea for a poll, although I don't think I can do them because I don't have a paid account.

Date: 2007-02-05 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
mitya if you accept ads you can do polls

Date: 2007-02-05 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-russian.livejournal.com
Let me think about it more tonight, and see how robust the idea is.

Date: 2007-02-05 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martinskidmore.livejournal.com
All of my picks are losing! The DC fite is the only close one.

The hard one

Date: 2007-02-05 03:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
The hard one for me was "Fight For Your Right" versus "Try Again," the first time in the playoffs where I actually went back to relisten, though the relisten confirmed for me that "Try Again" touches my heart while "Fight For Your Right" is confined to lesser viscera. (Also, MC5's "Kick Out The Jams" and the Stooges' "Loose" obliterate "Fight For Your Right.")(But "Smoke On The Water" doesn't.)

(*and a version w/ proper intro)

Date: 2007-02-05 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratemoggy.livejournal.com
That last one was completely unexpectedly the HARDEST QUESTION EVER. :o

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