The History Of Jop Part 15 aka I'll Be Your Whatever You Want

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

1993 sees the alt.rock revolution in full swing, hip-hop going in all directions at once and a smattering of other stuff for YOUR jurisdiction. NINE ticks across these 27 songs, please.


[Poll #851292]


1992: The Love AlBUM (Poptimists Promo)

1. My Lovin (Never Gonna Get It) (38 votes)
2. Justified And Ancients (35 votes)
3. Jump (28 votes)
4=. Jump Around (27)
4=. Baby Got Back (27)
6. Friday I'm In Love (25)
7=. Pretend We're Dead (23)
7=. Ain't Too Proud To Beg (23)
9=. Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover (21)
9=. Lithium (21)

Comments

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Apologies to anyone who wasted time messing about with the earlier version of this poll.

This was the hardest poll in terms of reaching the requisite 9 ticks, in part cos there's stuff I think I might well like (and probably know) but can't bring to mind - "Hip Hop Hooray" and Tag Team for instance.

I really, really didn't like 'alternative rock' at this point.

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

I nearly gave Tag Team a tick. Didn't Clock cover it a couple of years later?

[ninebelow.livejournal.com]

Gutted that I didn't have room for a tick for Tag Team. Naughty By Nature, on the other hand, were always bum.

[blue-russian.livejournal.com]

1993 was the year when I returned from the land beyond to find music completely different. A couple of friends will no doubt clearly recall meeting me in California (also, my first ever visit there) and being completely hypnotized by "Cannonball."

My pop instincts remained intact, however, as I recognized the genius of Beck's "Loser" on first listen. Why isn't it in this poll?

[koganbot]

"Loser" was late in the year. You'll see it in the next poll.

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

Nice to see Pazz & Jop getting it right at #1. Cannonball is one of those singles which I find just simply joyous and beautiful in a way that doesn't need to be explained - but I'm always surprised when other people like it!

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

As opposed to the Gin Blossoms, where I'm well aware that my love is completely inexcusable!

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

Lots of GOLD on this poll!

Cypress Hill, Shaggy, Dre & Snow all brilliant.

I take it Ace Of Base didn't get far over the pond?

This was the first year I bought a NOW (vol 25)!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

I take it Ace Of Base didn't get far over the pond?

actually they did! wasn't 'The Sign' #1 in the States (but not til '94)? i think people, esp. critics, just thought they were crap.

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

i am a fool for not putting 'Oh Carolina' on Ultramix 93 (http://www.base58.com/ultra/#93) but in my defence Louchie Lou & Michie One's 'Shout' uses the same drum loop and is a wee bit better. probably best i left Porno For Pyros off tho.

'Shoop' is the second best Salt n Pepa single.

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

'Shout' is totally better. 'Oh Carolina' is OK but Shaggy generally is rather irritating.

If I Had No Loot

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I'd completely forgotten about this! It's so ace!

[jauntyalan.livejournal.com]

the year of Giant Steps. which dominated most indie charts of the year i think.

[carsmilesteve.livejournal.com]

and still AMAZING, screw tha hataz.

haha, i haf just found the NME alBUM chart for '93 and realised what i have forgotten about '93, but it deserves it's own thread...

Like a moth to the flame burned by the fire

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Janet takes 'Justify My Love' and TRUMPS IT - this song is being totally underrated!

Re: Like a moth to the flame burned by the fire

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

it's nice tho i don't see real connection with 'Justify My Love'

'If', otoh, roxors.

SUEDE SUEDE SUEDE

[carsmilesteve.livejournal.com]

ah brett i WUVVED you so much in 1993, and bernard and simon and matt...

Re: SUEDE SUEDE SUEDE

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

And Justine

ALSO, how soon we forget!!!

[carsmilesteve.livejournal.com]

1993, YEAR OF AGIT POP!!!

call it what you, in a very real sense, want. SENSER, little matty credit, BACK TO THE PLANET!!! isn't it? wasn't it?

Re: ALSO, how soon we forget!!!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

you tell us, DUNGAREES wearer.

ah, Juliana *sigh*

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

I saw the JH3 play live - in Seattle! - in '93. Supported by Madder Rose (I was the only person in the entire venue who seemed to know who MR were. I thought they were better on the night too). My sole claim to grunge-ness.

Re: ah, Juliana *sigh*

[byebyepride.livejournal.com]

My most grunge moment = stage diving during a concert by Babes in Toyland (NB: the one and only moment I have done this at a gig, and they were kinda encouraging it, i.e. bouncers were helping people on and off stage, so I was not being a total c*ck).

My Pazz & Jop ballot, 1993

[koganbot]

1. Radiohead "Creep"
2. Shaggy "Oh Carolina"
3. Jordy "Dur Dur D'Être Bébé"
4. Whitney Houston "I Will Always Love You"
5. Spin Doctors "Two Princes"
6. Urge Overkill "Sister Havana"
7. Depeche Mode "I Feel You"
8. Ace of Base "All That She Wants"
9. Duran Duran "Come Undone"
10. Michael Jackson "Give In To Me"

Also: Snow "Informer" and "Runway," Michael Jackson "Who Is It?" Captain Hollywood Project "More and More," Madonna "Deeper and Deeper," Nirvana "Heart-Shaped Box," Dolly Parton "Romeo."

[Listening now, I realize how awful the singing is on "Sister Havana." There's no way it's top ten, and I'm wondering if I should even untick it here, except it's a good song.]

Re: My Pazz & Jop ballot, 1993

[jauntyalan.livejournal.com]

TWO PRINCES. oh my. now there's a poptimist conundrum.

Alternative was the new pop?

[koganbot]

Funny Tom's not liking alternative rock at this point. There's a school of thought (don't know if I'm part of it, as I've not really gone back to listen in the intervening years) that says alternative got way BETTER - briefly - when it broke onto the charts in the early '90s because then all these wannabes and pretenders came along and turned it into pop music. E.g., I surprised myself today by listening to the Hatfield, possibly for the first time, and liking it. (Not enough to tick it, mind you. Still don't love her little-girly goo-goo voice. Jordy crushes her.)

But actually, hip-hop was the new pop, even if relatively mediocre in comparison to the hip-hop that had been and the hip=hop that was to come.

Re: Alternative was the new pop?

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

I think you're probably right! Thing is, I was at probably my least pop ever in 1993 (see post below), so I wouldn't have noticed. I might go back and re-hear some of this stuff tonight, though.

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

This year was a weird-ish time for me - first year and start of second year at university, turning 20, I'd nailed my colours to the 'indie' mast a bit but was increasingly unhappy with the actual music, at the same time nothing else seemed to be very inspiring. The BIG THING this year was Select's "YANKS GO HOME" cover and issue - Blur, Pulp, Denim, the Auteurs, Saint Etienne - I went for this stuff 100% and was fully behind the idea of a new wave of self-consciously British modernist pop (what we actually got was rather different).

My favourite American stuff at this point was all at the slightly artier, non-grungy end: post-Pixies albums, and Pavement. I didn't 'get' G-Funk until next year, and in general felt pretty disconnected from pop (the quite un-pop world of university was taking up most of my emotional energy).

Was the YEASTIE GIRLS this year? Surely it was! And how can it not have appeared on the Pazz and Jop poll? (Aside from 'being rubbish').

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

can You Send Yeast?

Elephant in the Poll

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

The focus of my anti-altrock-ire: Rage Against The Machine!

Re: Elephant in the Poll

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

That has reminded me of Richard Cheese And Lounge Against The Machine (http://www.richardcheese.com/rclounge.html). Hahaha.

Meanwhile In Britain (sort of)

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

I am going to post the Select Top 50, because I cared about it more than the NME one. But as Carsmile says, the NME one is worth talking about too and maybe should get its own thread.

Suede - Animal Nitrate
Leftfield Lydon - Open Up
Aphex Twin - On
Blur - For Tomorrow
Bjork - Venus As A Boy
Pulp - Lipgloss
Sabres Of Paradise - Smokebelch II
St Etienne - Who Do You Think You Are?
Pj Harvey 50ft - Queenie
Pet Shop Boys - Go West
M-People - One Night In Heaven
Polygon Window - Quoth
New Order - Regret
Rage ATM - Bullet In The Head
Faith No More & Boo-Yaa T.R.I.B.E. - Another Body Murdered
Pet Shop Boys - Can You Forgive Her?
Elastica - Stutter
Manic Street Preachers - La Tristesse Durera (Scream To A High)
Lemonheads - Into Your Arms
Billie Ray Martin And Spooky - Persuasion
Boo Radleys - I Hang Suspended
Therapy? - Screamager
Apache Indian - Boom Shak A Lak
Kingmaker - Ten Years Asleep
Sub Sub - Ain't No Love (Ain't No Use)
Sven Vath - L'esperanza
Faith No More - Easy
Credit To The Nation - Call It What You Want
New Order - World (The Price Of Love)
Paul Weller - Sunflower
One Dove - Breakdown
James -Sometimes
Nirvana - Heart.Shaped Box
Secret Knowledge - Sugar Daddy
The Wonder Stuff - On The Ropes Ep
Teenage Fanclub - Radio
Cypress Hill - When The Shit Goes Down
Voodoo Queens - Supermodel Superficial
Belly - Feed The Tree
The Fall - Why Are People Grudgeful?
2 Unlimited - No Limit
Back To The Planet - Teenage Turtles
Collapsed Lung - Thundersley Invacar
Depeche Mode - Walking In My Shoes
Dinosaur Jr - Start Choppin'
Echobelly - Bellyache
Fluke - Electric Guitar
Frank Black - Hang On To Your Ego
Disco Evangelists - De Niro
Fun'da'mental - Countryman

Chuck in "Call It What You Want" and "Cannonball" (No 1 in NME and god knows why Select ignored it) and a lot of this was my year.

Re: Meanwhile In Britain (sort of)

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

Hurrah for Tlimited and Lastica!

On The Ropes is one of the worst Wonderstuff songs ever.

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

1993 was secretly the best year for Dance Music ever.

Hip-Hop

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

So how come NYC's Village Voice magazine didn't pick up on Wu-Tang Clan? (maybe they were in the albums)

Re: Hip-Hop

[koganbot]

No, Wu don't reach the albums until 1997.

Billboard Top 27 1993

[koganbot]

1. I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston
2. Whoomp! (There It Is) - Tag Team
3. Can't Help Falling In Love - UB40
4. That's The Way Love Goes - Janet Jackson
5. Freak Me - Silk
6. Weak - SWV
7. If I Ever Fall In Love - Shai
8. Dreamlover - Mariah Carey
9. Rump Shaker - Wreckx-N-Effect
10. Informer - Snow
11. Nuthin' But A "G" Thang - Dr. Dre
12. In The Still Of The Nite - Boyz II Men
13. Don't Walk Away - Jade
14. Knockin' Da Boots - H-Town
15. Lately - Jodeci
16. Dazzey Duks - Duice
17. Show Me Love - Robin S.
18. A Whole New World - Peabo Bryson & Regina Belle
19. If - Janet Jackson
20. I'm So Into You - SWV
21. Love Is - Vanessa Willlams & Brian Mcknight
22. Runaway Train - Soul Asylum
23. I'll Never Get Over You (Getting Over Me) - Exposé
24. Ditty - Paperboy
25. Rhythm Is A Dancer - Snap
26. The River Of Dreams - Billy Joel
27. I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) - Proclaimers

Re: Billboard Top 27 1993

[skyecaptain.livejournal.com]

Somewhat surprised that "Dreamlover" couldn't find a spot on this poll, it's probably my #1 most prominent ubiquitous musical memory from the time (except maybe Whitney and "Whoomp!"). Avoiding "I Will Always Love You" is more understandable.

Non-single single

[koganbot]

I'll bet a lot of critics considered "Fuck and Run" the song of the year.

Re: Non-single single

[nicolars.livejournal.com]

I liked this song but I always thought some of the critics liked Liz because of the whole "girls be having sex!" angle, like that was something that had never been done before.

Mamy of you are just wrong

[jel-bugle.livejournal.com]

"Runaway Train" is a great song.

Re: Mamy of you are just wrong

[koganbot]

Well it's a good one that I like more now than then. Heard it on an 11-year-old girl's myspace the other day, which made me like it more. Was in the group of ten I would have ticked had we been allowed to tick nineteen.

Pets = Go West

[epicharmus.livejournal.com]

I have never really understood the acclaim for "Go West": like PFP's "Pets", it makes a buffet out of one soggy irony.