[identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
After much deliberation the shortlist for The Lex 20p Indie Prize has been announced:

The Automatic
Camera Obscura
The Feeling
The Guillemots
Kasabian
The Kooks
Lily Allen
The Pipettes
Test Icicles
The Young Knives

All of these acts* have been nominated BY POPTIMISTS for their vital contributions to INDIE over the last 12 months. Let the debate commence!

NO FAIR

Date: 2006-09-05 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
1) I don't like ANY of these
2) there is one nomination MISSING

Re: NO FAIR

Date: 2006-09-05 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
but if it's my prize surely my nomination has to go through!

KAREN O WAS ROBBED

but then YYYs aren't really indie anyway so I guess it's good that they haven't been SULLIED

Re: NO FAIR

Date: 2006-09-05 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martinskidmore.livejournal.com
I nominated the YYYs too, though after nominations had closed, I now see. I'm not sure in what way they aren't indie. I only like one of the nominated acts, and strongly dislike several.

Re: NO FAIR

Date: 2006-09-05 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
they are art-rock! except the new album which is country. they are really really awesome.

Re: NO FAIR

Date: 2006-09-05 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruudboy.livejournal.com
but if it's my prize surely my nomination has to go through!

It will be a sad day for music awards when sponsors get a say in awarding the prizes!

Date: 2006-09-05 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
The Camera Obscura album actually sounds pretty good. I like the new Pipas album as well. Blummin' [livejournal.com profile] fathands is to blame.

I'd be tempted to go with Test Icicles just cos of that good Alan Braxe remix (altho an instrumental version would be better - that guy's shouting gets v annoying v quickly).

Date: 2006-09-05 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsgomiaow.livejournal.com
Hhaha make the Test Icicles good by EXCISING all of their actual contributions to the song! Agreed 100% w/r/t the guy's shouting...

Date: 2006-09-05 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomewells.livejournal.com
I like the shouting, for some reason it sounds kind of pointless and futile and makes the remix sound sadder than it otherwise would.

Date: 2006-09-05 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] braisedbywolves.livejournal.com
Footnote = Lily Allen is technically a brand?

Date: 2006-09-05 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alkennedy.livejournal.com
The Pipettes are most awesome for the dancing of.

Camera Obscura are pleasant-sounding but, as is the way with many members of the Scottish Indie Mafia, are tools.

Date: 2006-09-05 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-newham.livejournal.com
My nomination is missing! Not that I had much faith in it. I like The Feeling but surely they are an MOR band, seeing as their best songs sound like Supertramp?

Date: 2006-09-05 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jel-bugle.livejournal.com
I like Camera Obscura they are are on a proper indie label, but the rest I don't really know. Oh, that Kooks song is annoyingly catchy.

Date: 2006-09-05 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fathands.livejournal.com
I think I like the Guillemots.

I am not proud of having turned Steve indie.

Date: 2006-09-05 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomewells.livejournal.com
I have the Guillemots album on my iPod and have never listened to it. But then again I nominated Kasabian in full devil's advocate mode.

I will post that Test Icicles Spank Rock remix for your listening pleasure this evening. Also attempt to find the bosh Automatic remix from Cross Central.

Date: 2006-09-05 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
i got HARASSED about the guillemots! they share a press officer with xtina.

Date: 2006-09-05 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
i think they're a bit too mainstream for most plan b writers, who tend to prefer drone/folk/improv/noise/etc :o

Date: 2006-09-05 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dickmalone.livejournal.com
I totally misunderstood the nature of the prize and I was the one (or, uh, one of the ones?) who nominated the Guillemots, so they can be switched out for someone else if needed.

Date: 2006-09-05 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
its nature is many-sided and a lot less than a quid

Date: 2006-09-05 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poptasticuk.livejournal.com
Much better than the Mercury's!
From: [identity profile] the-roofdog.livejournal.com
I <3 the Young Knives. Apart from Alleng the rest can GO AWAY tho.

Date: 2006-09-05 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mippy.livejournal.com
A pedant writes: It's Guillemots, not The Guillemots. HONESTLY.

I like the Young Knives. They wear tweed, they sound a bit like Robyn Hitchcock and a bit like XTC, and their lead singer looks like a supply teacher. Or, if you will, the Asda SmartPrice Jarvis.

Date: 2006-09-05 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
surely this is the best reason for calling them THE guillemots though ;)

i saw young knives when they were calle dpony club (as i imagine a few ppl did round here) and sounded like the pixies, and then the first futureheads alBUM came out...

...i like the HOT summer song though

Date: 2006-09-05 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mippy.livejournal.com
No! Not if you have to look it up, and then send e-mails round at work because it is LITERALLY your JOB to know such thngs.

Date: 2006-09-06 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whalefish.livejournal.com
I think I saw Pony Club once, didn't realise it was them. Seems like every other indie band is just a reincarnation of a failed indie band from a few years ago...

Date: 2006-09-06 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
but this has always been the case innit ;)

very few ppl make it with their original line-up/band in tact, so there's always some old codger can say, ooh i saw them when they had nowt/a horn section/were all women etcetfc

Date: 2006-09-05 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratemoggy.livejournal.com
I remember when one of their sisters/girlfriends/mums/some sort of female connection person rang into Zane Lowe to correct that error. Thank god my radio's stopped working so I've stopped listening to that show.

Anyway. The Young Knives are bloody good, a bit like We Are Scientists only from this side of the pond, aren't they?

Date: 2006-09-05 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mippy.livejournal.com
TBH, people who make a big thing out of that kind of thing (see also: Pixies, Longpigs) are just showing off. But I have been irked enough by it today to make the point. Stop getting indie wrong!

The Young Knives are more village fete than We Are Scientists. I like them if only for that little 'Tall tales, creeps and whii-spers' in, um, that song of theirs. For all their quirk there's a bit of FM radio pop in there.

Date: 2006-09-05 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratemoggy.livejournal.com
The Automatic should win. I am certain of this because of the following points:
1. They are not just good on 'Monster' they are good all over their album.
2. They understand the finer points of being shouty whilst maintaining a fiendishly catchy melody.
3. They are Welsh but not Lostprophets or Funeral For A Friend. We must really stop the latter two bands being what Wales is known for, in terms of current music.
4. Singer's fit, innee?
5. The Automatic are, in some ways, a bit like Pulp and that can only be construed as good by most people that aren't Lex.
6. A lot of the other bands on that list are almost frighteningly twee and tweeness is not something I personally would like to stand for. Having grown up in a twee place, I can say that The Automatic sound a lot like a reaction to twee and so this is valid'n'interesting and a bit Against The Grain. And I really don't want The Pipettes to win because although I quite like them they get rapidly irritating.

I cannot vote for Test Icicles because I bought The Automatic's album rather than theirs one fateful day in Brighton awhile ago, although I personally thought they were bloody brilliant.

Date: 2006-09-06 08:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
The Automatic are, in some ways, a bit like Pulp

as i have only heard the monster song, could you expand on this a bit pls?

Date: 2006-09-06 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratemoggy.livejournal.com
Their album is danceable, yet also occasionally melancholy and pretty damned socially aware (much more so than you'd expect) and, uh... ok, my logic was a bit flawed but something about 'Not Accepted Anywhere' reminded me of Pulp.

'Raoul' is actually noticeably better than 'Monster,' as their singles go, although admitedly lacks Bigfoot-dancing in the video so maybe could come under 'must try harder.' It is about sandwiches, though, so that's always good.

Date: 2006-09-05 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-russian.livejournal.com
Umm... Would winning be a good or a bad thing?

Date: 2006-09-06 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whalefish.livejournal.com
My tuppence worth...

The Automatic - I gave their album a go as I thought they deserved a fair crack and not just be written off as 'that Monster band', thought it was pretty weak though
Camera Obscura - GREAT when they do their big pop song thing (If Looks Could Kill is a 'tune'), but I find the twee stuff boring
The Feeling - how did these bastards sneak in here?
The Guillemots - Lovely lovely band, some of their album stuff's a bit pointless but Trains To Brazil is a little treasure of a song
Kasabian - nooooooooo, ape-like beery lad stuff, not a good thing
The Kooks - evil gits, but their songs are extremely catchy which has to count for something
Lily Allen - harmless, I suppose, not all that indie mind
The Pipettes - I like this lot now, really big fluffy songs
Test Icicles - a bit annoying over an entire gig or an entire album, but I do like their stuff, Circle Square Triangle is still one of my pre-going out records
The Young Knives - they look like Mark off Peep Show and his geeky mates from the chess club which initially put me off, but I was surprised on listening to them, I like them quite a lot

Date: 2006-09-06 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mippy.livejournal.com
Also, they are not fond of Ross Kemp.

Date: 2006-09-06 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bengraham.livejournal.com
I guess it kind of depends what we're trying to prove here. Is the Lex 20p Indie Prize about finding out which group Poptimists like the most, from that list? Or are we truly trying to award something for being "indie" and this deserving of the Lex's prize?

I only ask because most people are going with the former... "I really like The Pipettes' album" or "Kasabian are evil", whereas I would prefer to go with the second option.

This then poses the problem of how you define indie, and I'm sure everyone has their own definitions, but according to mine, The Automatic would be rock (I guess), The Feeling, Lily Allen and The Pipettes would be pop and of the remainder, the most indie band there are clearly The Kooks, annoying as they might be. They have these catchy twee indie songs, indie clothes, indie haircuts and indie lyrics. So yes, vote Kooks for Lex's 20p prize, even if you don't like them, and crown them as the INDIE-EST BAND EVER.

Date: 2006-09-06 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Lily isn't indie at all. Whereas the Feeling (my nomination) are definitely indie (boys with guitars) but have made a brilliant pop song (vocal harmonies, c'mon!) which I am STILL not sick of and which I would listen to right now if Universal hadn't taken it off their front page and replaced it with the Puppini Sisters' Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy Of Company B.

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