Something said in the pub

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

by thenipper:

"I think Lily Allen and Amy Winehouse have killed Xenomania style pop, in the same way Britpop killed off Take That."

(I paraphrase)

Let's talk about....THE ZEITGEIST of BRITISH POP.

Comments

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Britpop fairly directly killed Take That by offering Robbie a way out of the band, and then by revealing the then irrelevance of a Robbie-less TT.

[byebyepride.livejournal.com]

Also Robbie did manage to play the 'rock-pop' card vs his 'pop for girls' past; I think some of the rock values of Britpop helped with this. The connection to now seems vaguely superficial though: if there's a shift against xeno-pop (was it ever that big?) it may also involve a rhetorical / musical appeal to retro-rock values, but under totally different conditions.

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

the limit i think on the appeal to "retro-rock" values is that its such a paperthin trad-dad version of them -- in a weird way i think it actually has the same effect as xeno's use of guitars, viz as a dab of sound-colour, than a portal opened into a vast strange secret world

(also xeno use BLUESY guitars -- which really IS a portal -- whereas the retro-rock thing is generally popu non-blues guitar, a portal back to a slammed door) (ok that is a HUGE and probably unsupportable generalisation)

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

haha note that here the term "trad dad" means "in-the-tradition-of-G04" rather than "in-the-tradition-of-BBKing"

[carsmilesteve.livejournal.com]

haha i read that as "in-the-tradition-of-G4" which is different again...