A kung fu fighter in a disco

but 'Work It' is (rightly) winning dude...

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alexmacpherson.livejournal.com

'Say My Name' I think opened up some ridiculous lead like 13-1 immediately and still lost, I'm going to be on edge until the end here.

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i love 'Cannonball' and 'Papa Don't Preach' equally but Madonna gets the nod cos I think it's More Pop.

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blue-russian.livejournal.com

Yes, the strings ARE great, now that everyone has droned on about them, I remember and agree. Still, when "Cannonball" comes on in the background it still makes me stop in my tracks.

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I was joking, but getting bored of a record is a function of the record as well as frequency, surely? Disliking something just because lots of people like it and will dance to it every week (I'm assuming it would be taken off rotation if it was a floor-clearer) would be the essense of indie. Not that I'm actually accusing you of this.

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byebyepride.livejournal.com

I voted for Madge because although I only like Papa Don't Preach, and I'm a bit fed up of Madonna in general, I HAVE NEVER LIKE CANNONBALL. Nor have I ever understood why people like it!

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blue-russian.livejournal.com

This is actually a quite interesting question, but difficult. Being willfully blind to a good song just because it's not Madonna (e.g.) doesn't seem very Poptimist. This is not a great fite to be having the debate on because don't most of us agree that PDP really is Quite Good, we just differ on how good (or we are tired of it)?

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ding ding ding!

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It's a classic big beat track!

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No, it wouldn't. Any more than getting fed up of the Glasshouse Stores if you always ended up going there would be 'indie'. Dancing to pop is a social context as well as a music one.

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byebyepride.livejournal.com

That explains why I don't like it, certainly!

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Bearing in mind that I've never understood the London disdain for picking a pub and sticking to it...

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Erm because environment can impact interaction in interesting and unpredictable ways?!

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Well Poptimism doesn't necessarily mean an Olympian judgement on the merits of a piece of music divorced from its context. My personal brand of Poptimism tends to enjoy liking (or certainly ticking) something I wasn't expecting to like/tick more than something I am settled in my appreciation of, which is why I often vote against stuff like "Toxic" in these fites (and "Common People" for that matter).

(This isn't a wilful or 'indie' thing. All it means is my criteria is usually "Which would I be more excited to hear RIGHT NOW?" not "Which is better?" This is also why the marks on Popular can be erratic)

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See below for the first point, but voting for Madonna tracks on principle is no different than voting for Supergrass tracks on principle. You might disagree that people are doing this, but it's an unpoptimist thing to do.

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i have used the RIGHT NOW method more and more i suppose. or maybe i always did, hard to know 4 sure.

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that's not active/conscious disdain tho, it's just that everybody has their 'needs'. i agree tho in that it is infuriating when a pub is suggested but then one or two others crop up following that, with no real good reason.

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But so can lots of things! I never had a dull night in Dublin, where 75% of the time we would end up in the Lord Edward (paucity of options also a factor, I suppose), and I can't think of any time off the top of my head where which pub we were in had much of an effect on enjoyment in London.

Which is all a tangent anyway.

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i love the 'let's sing the bassline thru the guitar amp' idea, where did they get it from? i think it's quite a cute, playful thing to do, like they're in love with their own bassline or something. and i really like kim deal's voice just naturally - not too sure why, just like the accent i guess. the 'chorus' is strong from a release point of view which also helps, and there seem to be lots of neat little ideas running through the song so lots to hear in that sense. this is why i like it anyway.

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'where did they get it from?'

maybe it was Humpty Hump!

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It does mean that you're actually considering both songs, though. Pop listening, like dancing, being about more than just The Music. And more than just "Oh it's Madonna, I'd better tick that."

(I realise I'm not telling you anything you don't know, just saying that I agree (or think I do), and it's part of what I was trying to say)

I have several times in this tournament (which is much more enjoyable than the NOW one, for some reason), switched a vote because I came back to a close match and got a buzz of joy from seeing This Song had pulled ahead of That Song (not always related to the Lex's response to this result).

Are you still standing behind "There are no bad reasons for liking music", by the way?

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which is much more enjoyable than the NOW one, for some reason

It is BIGGER and MORE COMPLICATED

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