The History Of Jop Part 22 aka I apologise a million times

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

To celebrate all meeting up in the year 2000, the Pazz and Jop singles poll jumped in scale from a Top 25 to a Top 40 - 42 in this case, thanks to ties. You therefore get FOURTEEN big picks - use them wisely.


[Poll #871746]


1999: Poll Over Jops Out Of Time

1. ...Baby One More Time (43 votes)
2. No Scrubs (41)
3. Genie In A Bottle (38)
4= Got Your Money (34)
4= My Name Is (34)
6. Rendez-Vu (26)
7= Steal My Sunshine (24)
7= Beautiful Stranger (24)
7= Praise You (24)
10. Believe (22)

Comments

Rock Off

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

This was the big 'rock is dead' year I think - no surprise given that the best it could do was Queens Of The Stone Age and their novelty drug track. I larffed like a drain when I saw the NME had made it album of the year (well no, I got irrationally annoyed and wrote a blog post, probably).

Along similar lines, this is one of only two Sleater-Kinney tracks I've heard: don't like it at all.

Re: Rock Off

[juror8.livejournal.com]

S'weird that "Feel Good Hit of the Summer" is still taken as a classic of the genre by rock fans, but if you started raving about Mystikal or Dead Prez to the average rap head as being GOATs, they'd just glare at you.

Re: Rock Off

[juror8.livejournal.com]

Also, Dead Prez probably are one of the most "important" records on here, they were doing that "lol social commentary with pop beats amirite?" about five years too early. "Hip Hop" is the original "Where Is The Love?"

Re: Rock Off

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

It's stretching it a bit to call it a pop beat though! It's a lot more dour.

Re: Rock Off

[juror8.livejournal.com]

Well, relevant to the prevailing underground hip-hop vibe at the time, it was pop I suppose. Radio 1 b-list, wasn't it?

Re: Rock Off

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Undergound hip-hop.

Did you ever have any of the Lyricist Lounge CDs? I had a couple and while I don't listen to them very much there is this one song I found on one of them, 'Blood' by Sarah Jones, which is INCREDIBLE.

Re: Rock Off

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

The 'Hip Hop' beat is GRIMY.

Re: Rock Off

[juror8.livejournal.com]

The "Hip Hop" beat was the default freestyle beat for shitty mc battles at uni campuses from 2001 to 2005, as far as I remember.

Re: Rock Off

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Haha you know about MIA using it on her mixtape I assume.

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[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

(also, this is because it's such a slow, oozing beat that it's probably quite an easy thing to MC over without falling as flat on your face as you would if you tried it with eg 'Shake Ya Ass'.)

Re: Rock Off

[awesomewells.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of surprised that Feel Good Hit Of The Summer made this list over the (much better, much more pop) Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret.

Rated R was a very very good album.

Re: Rock Off

[ninebelow.livejournal.com]

I actually thought I was voting for Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret so I might have to go back and think again about my ticks.

Re: Rock Off

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

i) ROCK IS DEAD HURRAH - can we get back to this please
ii) ironically enough I think both token rock acts here, QOTSA and S-K, are very very good generally! Not good enough to come close to a tick, but they're basically the best the genre's come up with this decade.

Re: Rock Off

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

death is a risky territory for something to achieve if you want it GO AWAY, as it is merely the tubestop prior to back! back!! BACK!!!

Re: Rock Off

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

as we are currently seeing :(

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[koganbot]

Why aren't you counting U2 and Coldplay as rock? Or do you mean noncrossover-from-rock-stations-to-pop-stations rock? But S-K never made it to the rock stations, even. They're Nindie.

M.O.P. is much more of a rock band than any of those, anyway. "Ante Up" is guys hollering over the chords to "House of the Rising Sun." (Or "For My Love" or "Steppin Stone" or "Tales of Brave Ulysses" or...)

Re: Rock Off

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I kind of think of rock as loud and noisy, U2 and Coldplay are...mimsy, wet MOR.

God I loathe that U2 song. How in the world did it end up so high?!

Re: Rock Off

[koganbot]

Yeah, puzzlement to me about "Beautiful Day" - is dry and nebbish (and I quite like "With Or Without You" and "Mysterious Ways," etc.). The Sleater-Kinney track doesn't rock, by the way, though rocking long since stopped being a criterion for rock, unfortunately. And I guess it wishes it rocked.

Re: Rock Off

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I agree with you about this S-K track, it's a bit...all mouth and no trousers. However virtually everything on their One Beat album DOES rock.

'Beautiful Day' is just so BOGSTANDARD MEDIOCRE. It sounds as if it's a chore to be happy.

Re: Rock Off

[juror8.livejournal.com]

MOP are probably the only rap group ever who understand what's actually "good" about rock music (ie, throwing yourself into other people at high speed and that's it).

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[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

What on earth is good about that?!

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[koganbot]

"Throwing yourself into other people at high speed" is a good description of "B.O.B." actually, which as I recall was considered rock, at least to the extent of not getting played on hip-hop/r&b stations (didn't get played on rock stations much, either; interesting that "Hey Ya" got played on both a couple of years later).

Re: Rock Off

[koganbot]

Actually, the best rock track on here is "Goodbye Earl" - unless I'm in the mood to call "The Real Slim Shady" and "Big Pimpin'" rock, given that it has more in common with the rock I love than any of the official "rock" tracks.

Meltzer says that rock died in late 1967, btw.

Re: Rock Off

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

UNTIL SOMEONE FORGOT

Re: Rock Off

[koganbot]

Well, yeah, obv. rock was alive and well in 2000 on the country and hip-hop stations!