[identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
Two things said by the Lex on the Poptimists chart thread:

"Gareth and I were talking last night about how a lot of the pro-pop people appear to have collectively decided that pop is a sonic genre rather than...anything and everything which cannibalises anything and everything else with an eye on the charts and sonic results all over the map, which is how I would want to define and approve of pop."

"I think my view of pop is the, the pure poppist view! the "pop-is-not-a-sound-but-an-ethos" argument which means that anything from Avril Lavigne to Stardust can be pop if it wants but that any attempt to define pop on strict sonic boundaries, or to make music based on these definitions (as many of these Swedes seem to do), is itself r*ck*sm or even worse INDIE"

Worth more discussion I reckons. Maybe we should ignore the whole qn of indie as I honestly think it's a side issue, and let's also try and leave rock1sm out of this until we know what it means, but yeah, is pop a sound or an ethos, or a sound that epitomises an ethos, or WHAT?

(If yr starving for actual YSI fun I will have some goodies for you tonight, including Bosh of the Week)

(Meanwhile for full on comments box madness scroll back to the Now 18 poll and look at the bottom - EEK)

Date: 2006-01-31 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
NEW THEORY:

Pop = stuff you like when you are P1SSED or otherwise WORSE 4 WEAR.

Date: 2006-01-31 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
i.e. when you cannot Think Deeply about whether you like the song or not and your instinct takes over.

Date: 2006-01-31 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
but you don't necess. have to like it for it to be Pop, or indeed Good Pop (can only be subjective?)

Alcohol doesn't really affect me in this way. It does make me more comfortable and keen to dance, but I can't remember the last time I danced to a song that I didn't like. Can anyone?

Date: 2006-01-31 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] braisedbywolves.livejournal.com
So, Arab Strap then.

Maybe we need to segregate this according to what you're drinking.

Date: 2006-01-31 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
And not snakebite.

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