Keep On Moving

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Two things said by the Lex on the Poptimists chart thread:

"Gareth and I were talking last night about how a lot of the pro-pop people appear to have collectively decided that pop is a sonic genre rather than...anything and everything which cannibalises anything and everything else with an eye on the charts and sonic results all over the map, which is how I would want to define and approve of pop."

"I think my view of pop is the, the pure poppist view! the "pop-is-not-a-sound-but-an-ethos" argument which means that anything from Avril Lavigne to Stardust can be pop if it wants but that any attempt to define pop on strict sonic boundaries, or to make music based on these definitions (as many of these Swedes seem to do), is itself r*ck*sm or even worse INDIE"

Worth more discussion I reckons. Maybe we should ignore the whole qn of indie as I honestly think it's a side issue, and let's also try and leave rock1sm out of this until we know what it means, but yeah, is pop a sound or an ethos, or a sound that epitomises an ethos, or WHAT?

(If yr starving for actual YSI fun I will have some goodies for you tonight, including Bosh of the Week)

(Meanwhile for full on comments box madness scroll back to the Now 18 poll and look at the bottom - EEK)

Comments

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

I was sort of surprised to hear Alex say the second quote. I agree with it completely - it was the stance I took on the Response: Death of Pop thread which was my entry into ILX - but it means that logically after you realise that Indie has gone the other way, and is now a sonic sound rather than an ethos, as Tom pointed out yesterday (on Alex's racism thread?), you must acknowledge the existence or potential existence of indie pop.

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

(actually I think I more mean the first quote there)

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Yes, we do have to, but then we can say: it may exist but it is also DREADFUL.

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

apart from Bellatrix. GO ICELAND

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

Ah okay, I think I thought you were using 'pop' as 'this is good'.