Pie Chart Topping

[jauntyalan.livejournal.com]

Morningwood - Nth Degree 9
Sir Lancelot - Pan american way 9
Bodies Without Organs - Gone 9

Gene Serene & John Downfall - The Hours 7

Coldplay - Talk (Jacques Lu Cont Mix) 6
The Knife - Neverland 6

The Knife - silent shout 5
Cat Power - The Greatest 5
The Knife - The captain 5
The Knife - Marble house 5


Morningwood still at the top, but now sharing their slice of the pop pie at 9 plays each with Pop World Cup entries: Bodies Without Organs (yay the all conquering* swedes) and Sir Lancelot (plucky Trinidad/Tobago). England trailing behind in 4th place... BREAKING NEWS swedes swizzed as England qualify!! What mad science is this?

However winning on points - as predicted last week- are Teh Knife with FOUR songs. My that's almost an entirely new album there. I suspect that the mysterious TARWATER may feature here next week. SEE YOU THEN

Comments

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

LJ's threading at 50 madness tho means someone needs to reformulate and repost a new question.

I think the pop vs indie thing is kind of played out really, we only stress it to tease Teh Lex (speaking for myself anyway), but the "what is pop" argument is more leggy.

It is very studied yes - this is what's interesting about Sweden, and attractive to some pop lovers, the way pop-as-style-and-ethos does seem to have a privileged place in its music culture, probably this is the real legacy of ABBA.

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

I hear a lot of Knife songs and think 'Pop', for whatever reason (sonically I suppose, primarily, but I do think there's more to it than just that).

[jauntyalan.livejournal.com]

yr right of course. I don't want to pick on Mr The Lex but some of the stuff you post, Lex, seems like you've imported some indie qualities into your idea of pop. which is part of the reason i suppose i dragged dread r*ck*ism into it, cos it's an "imported PoV" thing. i don't 100% know what i mean by this tho.

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

In fairness I think Lex's siege mentality us-vs-them attitude predates indie (but not the eternal ideal of indie guilt, of which it's a crucial component)

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

b-b-but I think my view of pop is the, the pure poppist view! the "pop-is-not-a-sound-but-an-ethos" argument which means that anything from Avril Lavigne to Stardust can be pop if it wants but that any attempt to define pop on strict sonic boundaries, or to make music based on these definitions (as many of these Swedes seem to do), is itself r*ck*sm or even worse INDIE

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

We rly do need a new thread for this I think.

(O rly?)

(Ya RLY)

[boyofbadgers.livejournal.com]

Make it so, Capytain Bara!

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I have just dunnit

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

from "anything" onwards yr argt is quasi-sound (ie there's nothing wrong makin music based on a defn, but you can't assume this alone will ensure it is POP)

but i think the REAL ACTUAL problem word here = PURE!!

remember - just cz YOU don't like em
CHRIS REA = POP (often)
PHIL COLLINS = POP (always) very often

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I think I will agree to both of those - I don't think pop is necessarily good! I haven't decided whether it is an ethos of listening or of making music though.

[jauntyalan.livejournal.com]

yes, tho i agree pop is not a sound, but the idea of an ethos and staying pure to it is VERY indie.

actually i've decided (and this comes out of nowhere) that what i want to discuss is the language is food metaphor