A kung fu fighter in a disco

Along with ALL BOOTLEGS EVER tbh. Osymyso was the one I hated at the time, partly b/c I never actually recognised more than 3 of the intros.

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did it matter if you didn't recognise them? i suppose if you'd never heard any of the songs on it before you'd be indifferent (a lot of the hate for this kind of thing is based on fans of the originals not liking the re-context or supposedly show-off editing aspect, i suspect) and wouldn't get it as a joke. it was relying on most people knowing most of the songs tho of course.

i did actually compile a list all the intros (it was for boomselection obv) - only a couple i'd never heard of (kowkube wtf - many mistook this for The Monkees 'I'm A Believer' tho)

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indifferent and vaguely annoyed by the stop-start rhythm which you couldn't dance to. plus, I hate jokes.

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it's clearly not a dance track (nor intended as such)

it is pretty much my kind of joke record (unlike recent US stuff)

lots of people made lazy jive bunny comparison but actually there is something in that (i am looking forward to "defending" jive bunny on popular one day ha ha)

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carsmilesteve.livejournal.com

fun hater!

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piratemoggy.livejournal.com

Will tick for 'Hey Jude/Vienna' bit at the start. I judge this SUITABLY GOTH.

Actually tbh it is ALL GOOD tho; this is the sort of thing I always imagine Girl Talk will do and what he never actually does, ie: FUN.

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Right. You can tell Osmyso clearly loves his source material, rather than just thinking he's being clever/cool. It's also highly musical; I still adore the INXS/Dexys call-and-response.

Girl Talk: more fun on record than in person. I saw him in person, and it was a bland show, not as live as I'd have liked, not feeding off the audience much, but full of every US college kid in London going mental. It looked like this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/felix_cohen/3367897832/). Even seeing that picture again gives me the fear.

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piratemoggy.livejournal.com

When I was at university I once had a gigantic argument with my friend Matt (with whom I also had gigantic arguments re: who the best violinist in pop was etc. and I think it has to be considered a mercy for THE WORLD that me and him didn't accidentally end up going out with each other BUT I DIGRESS) as to whether Girl Talk was the best mash up artist out there, to which I said 'bollocks' and 'but he barely mixes the songs together at all, just plays thirty seconds of each!' and 'look if you knew the source material at all you'd realise it's really not very clever' but he tried to insist he was right. The Indiesoc committee were really keen on Girl Talk, unsurprisingly, having never been exposed to this INSANE HIP HOP MUSIC before presumably.

Nothing like having been fvcked around with by some white dude with a laptop to make Lil Wayne acceptable to indie students. D:

(Obviously the best mashup people are Soulwax, for a genuine consensus 'no really this is not a matter of opinion' thing, altho everyone has their faves besides that)

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I really like Girl Talk too! Not that yr making it particularly vehemently but the "oh he messes about with hip-hop to make it acceptable to whitey" argument comes over as really precious to me: so what? Besides I bet plenty of people have gone and listened to Lil Wayne after hearing Girl Talk who would never otherwise have bothered.

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It's an argument I definitely make a lot, it comes from years of putting up with people saying "oh Lil' Wayne/Craig David/Destiny's Child are so shit BUT they're really good when bootlegged with [indie fave] or fucked around with by Kid 606/Girl Talk/whoever".

Plus the various bootleggers never actually made the source material BETTER. My favourite bootleg is probably the Xtina/Strokes one but no way would I choose to hear it over the original 'Genie'.

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In my experience this attitude is a total straw man though. I mean, maybe it happened more at university so you and Moggy met it more (students think shite things about music shocker!!) but I've known a lot of indie people and the ones who don't like hip-hop also wouldn't like Girl Talk.

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That's the thing though, there's a nagging suspicion that the target demographic for this = the students who think shite things about music at university - if not consciously then it's certainly perfect for them.

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think you would've liked my Ciara 'Get Up' / Sasse 'Loosing Touch' one - if both those tracks had come out a few years earlier and i'd done it then instead of only 18 months ago. sounds less like a mash-up and more like an Italo-revival remix which is a plus.

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I don't think I have an issue with mixing difft tracks into or on top of each other, it's just what DJs have always and will always do, it's just the idea of creating some horrible trend/scene around mash-ups where the point just seems more to be as "wacky" as possible.

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I don't think it's especially precious; it was definitely true in my uni friendsgroup. None of the people I knew (with the exception of Matt actually, to be fair) would've listened to any of the stuff on Girl Talk's albums unless he'd been at it, which is a big 'so what' because why is it only ok then? I mean, not in an aggressive way, just more '...wtf?'

To my knowledge no one in that group knows who Lil Wayne is, still. When I say these people would not have listened to hip hop I mean they would not have listened to anything not signed to Constellation, Saddle Creek or Wichita and yet there they all were loving Girl Talk; it's more surreal than anything else.

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OK, should've clarified: I think the argument that it makes the music BAD is - or at least risks - seeming precious in re. hip-hop. The point is it's not damaging hip-hop - which, in the case of the stuff GT uses, is a music a lot more commercially successful and widely listened to than his is.

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Girl Talk is pretty fun, some bits are really excellent. i just think he comes across as a bit of a twunt and it annoys me that his reference points are so american and relatively narrow (hip-hop...classic rock/indie...lol eurodance...). dude needs to learn up on rave etc.

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I wrote a long bit in my old Bootleg Essay on Osymyso. Most relevant bit:

"“Intro-Inspection” is a dream pop is having about itself. Familiar snatches show up, then recede just when you recognise them, and everything seems connected but it never really is. The disconnection, the rejection of any kind of message or point, is what I like best about Osymiso’s opus – after a few listens you stop wanting the intros to trigger their parent tracks and just enjoy these happy shifts and couplings. “Intro-Inspection” is best explored yourself so I won’t give examples, but the fourth minute of the shorter seven-minute version is particularly superb. (This short version is actually the better one, because Osymyso resists some of his more obvious gags or stabs at irony – the Sex Pistols into Aqua, geddit? – and the samples get more room to breathe. But they’re both great.)

When I first played “Intro-Inspection” I thought it was a shame there wasn’t a steady tempo – now I’ve come to love its odd rhythmic tides, the way just when you get a handle on the beat it fades out or changes up. This sounds, maybe, like the sort of baffling, neurotic changes IDM puts you through, and the density of “Intro-Inspection” is on the first listen easily as wearying as anything the most rigorous glitchmasters have served up. But Osymyso’s relationship to pop is different – he obviously loves it, he takes it apart like a kid with a toy – and when his track plays in clubs, people always try and dance."

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yeah but it's way too long.

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