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poptimistsA double-header today - the prestigious Lifetime Achievement award, one careless owner in James Brown, and the contentious Argument of the Year award. Astute readers may notice the effects of the randomiser in these.
[Poll #1108552]
Meanwhile the TRACKS OF THE YEAR spreadsheet just keeps on GROWING. 118 different tracks named so far, with two acts getting FIVE different ones each. Send YOUR top 10 to leagueofpop@gmail.com before New Years to be counted.
[Poll #1108552]
Meanwhile the TRACKS OF THE YEAR spreadsheet just keeps on GROWING. 118 different tracks named so far, with two acts getting FIVE different ones each. Send YOUR top 10 to leagueofpop@gmail.com before New Years to be counted.
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Date: 2007-12-19 02:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-19 02:43 pm (UTC)The arguments were much harder:
Britney at the VMAs - not much of an argument rly: dreadful performance, and about the only quarrel to be had was with the people affecting disgust over a half-inch of belly fat. And that particular argument was just depressing. Also, the performance set "Car Crash Britney" as the Big Fact around her, which meant that more interesting arguments about Blackout never really happened.
Death of Oink - this was one of the big EVENTs of the year but actual sensible argument on it drowned out pretty quick. It brought a lot of stuff to a head (entitlement, piracy, the taste make-up of the net) but a lot of the discussion was just name calling. (Thinking about big Idolator-led arguments though I wish I'd remembered the Black Kids spat)
Is Indie Too White? - AARGH, actually the initial arguments around this were all feeble (B-b-but what about Spoon? O RLY????) but Carl W's and Frank K's pieces in response were excellent, so pushing the old buttons was worthwhile one more time.
Klaxons and Nu Rave - got my tick because I enjoyed talking about them (almost certainly more than listening to them) and the question of what a 'nu rave' MIGHT sound like is an intriguing one too.
Poptimists vs K-Punk - you must be joking.
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Date: 2007-12-19 02:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-19 02:49 pm (UTC)Funded the Hacienda (thus inventing club culture in Britain)
Also all-round media face, link in 101 cultural chains, tireless defender and promoter of energy and thrill-power over boring canonicity. And a complete twat sometimes too.
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Date: 2007-12-19 02:59 pm (UTC)East Side West Side South Side Northside
Date: 2007-12-19 03:01 pm (UTC)Tim likes the Stockholm Monsters IIRC.
Dubdobdee favourite Cath Carroll was on Factory maybe?
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Date: 2007-12-19 02:58 pm (UTC)AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Date: 2007-12-19 03:00 pm (UTC)Happy Mondays and Joy Division/New Order were his big successes, which is why I said you wouldn't like the actual music.
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Date: 2007-12-19 03:14 pm (UTC)I REALLY hate Happy Mondays.
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Date: 2007-12-19 03:18 pm (UTC)The Oasis/Madchester link is that Noel Gallagher was a roadie for core Madchester band the Inspiral Carpets. He was inspired by the Stone Roses too, so while Oasis doesn't generally sound much like Madchester bands there's a definite connection. But they can't directly be blamed on Wilson.
I am fonder of Madchester than its actual music merits, cos I was 16 when it happened and the IDEA (as read about in the music press) of this incredible kaleidoscopic collision of rock, dance, indie etc. seemed very new and exciting. All it actually meant, with the possible exception of the Mondays, was that the bands took E and went raving and then went back and made the exact same records they'd have made anyway.
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Date: 2007-12-19 03:20 pm (UTC)Then as now: ONE STAR.
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Date: 2007-12-19 03:21 pm (UTC)It was quite a girl-unfriendly scene too! In fact I honestly can't think of a single baggy or indie-dance single you'd enjoy.
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Date: 2007-12-19 02:45 pm (UTC)Re: argument -
- Britney at the VMAs wasn't really an argument at all! Maybe Britney vs The World, but The World was kind of unanimous here in shouting "OMG get help"
- The only people arguing re: the death of Oink were dumb spoilt indie kids with alarming senses of entitlement. Everyone else just said "oh shut up you idiots, get over it"
- Is Indie White? was potentially a good argument spoilt by completely dumb premise which completely missed the hows and whys of racial discrimination in the mainstream music press
- Klaxons and Nu-Rave - haha. I maintain I won this one
- which leaves Us v K-Punk which was a proper argument, won by us. Hurrah!
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Date: 2007-12-19 04:14 pm (UTC)Wasn't this the reaction to K-Punk as well?
(Or it should have been.)
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Date: 2007-12-19 03:25 pm (UTC)Max Martin clearly the best on the list, but not for anything he did this year, so no tick.
Tony Wilson. Just didn't make that much difference to me, though clearly his dying makes him relevant for this award (ditto Pimp C).
So, Britney by default, especially given all the dorks who said that HER CAREER WAS OVER! And she also got my vote for best argument, though that's a default vote too (all my other votes or near votes* for her are wildly enthusiastic). Last year's Paris argument was far superior. (And last year's Paris album was superior too, though that's closer.)
*I've still got her only at second on my albums list, though watch out Aly & A.J., she's gaining on you.
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Date: 2007-12-19 03:28 pm (UTC)I don't for a second think that his death should guarantee him it, tho I am pretty amazed that any Brit with a big love of music wouldn't know who he was...
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Date: 2007-12-20 12:50 pm (UTC)Tho doubtless this is the reaction of people when I showcase my ignorance of music on this here site.
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Date: 2007-12-19 06:39 pm (UTC)All arguments this year were boring. I voted Britney at the VMAs.
The First Time I've Ever (Almost) Abstained from an Argument About Arguments.
Date: 2007-12-19 08:17 pm (UTC)I hated all of these arguments, actually. I thought Britney at the VMAs was ugly all around, was glad to see the Death of Oink but certainly didn't want to TALK about it, thought the INDIE TOO WHITE (which I voted for) led to some interesting side-discussions that were related but was itself kind of misguided, or at least not really getting at any problems that I actually observe/recognize (enough to want to argue about passionately), no idea about Klaxons and Nu Rave, and Poptimists v. K-runk would require there to be an actual argument from the inciting/war-declaring side to count as an argument. All I got out of it was that he doesn't think I'm funny :(
PS - The title of my first post should have been:
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