Something said in the pub

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

by thenipper:

"I think Lily Allen and Amy Winehouse have killed Xenomania style pop, in the same way Britpop killed off Take That."

(I paraphrase)

Let's talk about....THE ZEITGEIST of BRITISH POP.

Comments

A U.S. Perspective

[koganbot]

Lily too idiosyncratic to be indicative of anything, and she's not trad (unless home-made goofy calypso is a tradition I don't know about), I think Cheryl started the most recent spat by saying that Lily had a penis (so Cheryl's the one being trad), this guy confuses everything by blogging and raving about Lily and listing her in his music interests, Brits on the teenpop thread claim that new Aly & A.J. vocoder pop is in Xenomania style (for those of you who don't know, Aly & A.J. are earnest American chimpanzees singer-songwriter teens), so perhaps Xenomania will produce the next Alanis album, Brit charts since January seem to have American r&b and Brit indie dominance while Winehouse barely went top 20 this year, Brit indie not in competition with Girls Aloud but r&b is.

Re: A U.S. Perspective

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

i) home-grown calypso kind of is a tradition, though not one I know much about
ii) Lily started it by dissing Cheryl's husbands and bandmates (inc calling Nicola Roberts "ugly") - Cheryl's "chick w/ dick" comment not even from her own lips (Gordon Ramsay said it, Cheryl nodded agreement before remembering she was on TV)
iii) I'm personally not 100% convinced that Xenomania are the right comparisons for 'The Potential Breakup Song' but I don't know what is yet
iv) The second and third singles off the Winehouse album haven't gone top 10 but the album has been No 1, on and off, all year, and I think 'Rehab' is STILL in the top 75 about three decades after its release
v) Brit indie not in competition with Girls Aloud but r&b is = v pertinent point

Koganbot In Doesn't Know What He's Talking About Shocker

[koganbot]

So I see I do not know what I'm talking about except I still kind of think Lily is her own category and that decline in Xenomania popularity (if there is such a decline) not directly due to people shifting to the Lilys.

(Points of comparison that are probably irrelevant but e.g. shift from hair metal to grunge in early '90s U.S. wasn't 'cause grunge came and took away the hairies. Hair metal was already fading before "Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit. And shift in early '00s teenpop from Britney-*NSync to Michelle-Pink-Avril-Vanessa C. wasn't because latter simply superseded former given that Justin and Britney were already shifting to tougher dance-club r&b stylings and angling for the "adults.")