Something said in the pub

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

by thenipper:

"I think Lily Allen and Amy Winehouse have killed Xenomania style pop, in the same way Britpop killed off Take That."

(I paraphrase)

Let's talk about....THE ZEITGEIST of BRITISH POP.

Comments

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

I don't think the two events are similar enough in magnitude - Britpop may have killed off Take That but boy/girlbands in general were still continuing on after Britpop left the building, with much success! Even discounting the Spicers you still had Boyzone, Steps, Another Level, 5ive... Lily and Amy are having a much bigger impact across a whole genre whereas Britpop killed off just one band (and that was because of Robbie's fault). Similar method yes, but much greater consequences this time round!

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

I agree with Kat, although I'm looking at it from the other end: LilyAmyRonson is not a great comparator to 90s Britpop. But if you can and want to lump in Blunt, Powter, Snow Patrol and The Fray with LilyAmy, THEN thenipper might be on to something.

The other thing that nobody's mentioned so far is the appropriation of shiny electropop by indie (the French Justice league in particular). I blame Goldfrapp.

Hey ladies

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

Perhaps it is a demographic victory rather than a class victory? I have become very much aware that the last 18 months has seen me veer into the 25-35 female marketing group at an alarming rate. I love The Feeling and Lily and Mika and Take That. Is Mum-pop killing off Girl-pop? Feisty J17-reading teenagers grow into responsible Hello-reading Mums who must live vicariously through Amy/Lily bitching?

And one for the lads

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure what the equivalent for males is - indie/emo killing off nu-metal, perhaps? Though the latter is long dead... Do any teenage boys these days like non-guitar centered pop acts? Bloc Party and the Killers have filled Oasis/Blur's place for sure, but do the boys stick up posters of Lily and Amy on their walls just like they did for Rachel Stevens? I guess what I'm getting at is, is it acceptable (by their peers) for teenage boys to like non-hott female popsters? Or is it heinously uncool?

Re: And one for the lads

[piratemoggy.livejournal.com]

Indie disco is V V V V V big at my university with "the boys". By which I mean the sort of bloop/beep Justice and Simian Mobile Disco stuff, rather than just haircut indie with a keyboard. And stuff like Boards of Canada is going completely mainstream now.

Also: trance, techno, drum and bass for the less indie people. Some hip hop and a lot of trip hop; Mr Scruff is a favourite at our cheese night at the Union. Every time I remember this fact I wonder why I do not go to the Union more but it is up a big hill so really, etc. I dunno, I generally think that drum and bass is very pop at the minute, what with Pendulum being massive the way they are and High Contrast probably about to explode finally, it's what I would label as the dominant non-guitar music for boys these days.

Boys fancy Lily Allen A LOT. It is her voice, apparently.

Although that said I suppose my uni (Soon-to-not-be-in-the-University of Wales Aberystwyth) is a)v. weird, demographically and b)v. weird, musically because no one comes to play here EVER so the weedy indie kids rub shoulders with the metalheads at the drum and bass gig etc.