Poptimism THORT for the day

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

"pop is a map of the world at large (everything else is a map of 1xcommunity at small)"

That one submitted by dubdobdee.

Comments

Re: We Are The World, We Are The Children

[dickmalone.livejournal.com]

You cannot be intellectually honest and use the words "rockist" or "rockism."

Who is "you" in this statement? (Agreed, btw.)

Re: We Are The World, We Are The Children

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

one of the things that frank has persisted in ignoring in his war on the word "rockist" is the degree to which it is being used by people (jokily?) of THEMSELVES -- his claim that it is only used to mock or decry "those people over there and their problems" is simply false

of course what he means is You cannot be intellectually honest and use the words "rockist" or "rockism" IN THE WAY I AM CURRENTLY DEFINE IT -- certainly there is a destructive, self-righteous and hypocritical usage at large (which is only of course used haha by "those people over there") (ok and doubtless sometimes by me also), but i'm not sure it's any more destructive than his using tank-command-central terms like "intellectually dishonest" when what he actually (sometimes) means is "cheekily playful and self-mocking" (things he is on the whole very pro, though not always good at finding the best way of encouraging in others!)

(not that i know what the best way always is, either: i suspect some of my ways are what frank calls FILIBUSTERS -- ie "not answering the question", where i feel "answering the question" is little more than being forced to drag the conversation over into exactly the dullness and deadness frank actually wants to avoid and dispense with!) (and i would rather answer it via SHOW than TELL)

Re: We Are The World, We Are The Children

[koganbot]

his claim that it is only used to mock or decry "those people over there and their problems" is simply false

Change "only" to "mostly" and it's simply (and complexly) true. And the fact that such people (other than Simon R.) are using it self-mockingly rather than seriously pretty much proves my point. People sometimes refer to themselves self-mockingly as Nazis or fascists, but they still fundamentally mean "fascist" and "Nazi" to mean the other guy and to mean behavior that should be avoided. Whereas when I used my PBS metaphor I was referring to impulses and behavior that (1) I shared, (2) I thought were legitimate, (3) were culture-wide (so part of pop not just indie culture), and (4) I saw twisting into destructive outcomes.

Also, the serious convo that I want to drag you into doesn't have to be deadly dull, but in case it is, I don't want to dispense with it. Maybe it was deadly dull for Ticho Brahe (sp?) to work out his planetary locations and for Kepler to focus in on the fact that Brahe's data showed planets off by a little bit from where cosmology said they should be, but this dullness (if it was dullness) led to Kepler revolutionizing cosmology in exciting ways.

Re: We Are The World, We Are The Children

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

bah but i want to be kepler with his exciting ways!

(fact: tycho brahe had a false nose made of gold!)