his claim that it is only used to mock or decry "those people over there and their problems" is simply false
Change "only" to "mostly" and it's simply (and complexly) true. And the fact that such people (other than Simon R.) are using it self-mockingly rather than seriously pretty much proves my point. People sometimes refer to themselves self-mockingly as Nazis or fascists, but they still fundamentally mean "fascist" and "Nazi" to mean the other guy and to mean behavior that should be avoided. Whereas when I used my PBS metaphor I was referring to impulses and behavior that (1) I shared, (2) I thought were legitimate, (3) were culture-wide (so part of pop not just indie culture), and (4) I saw twisting into destructive outcomes.
Also, the serious convo that I want to drag you into doesn't have to be deadly dull, but in case it is, I don't want to dispense with it. Maybe it was deadly dull for Ticho Brahe (sp?) to work out his planetary locations and for Kepler to focus in on the fact that Brahe's data showed planets off by a little bit from where cosmology said they should be, but this dullness (if it was dullness) led to Kepler revolutionizing cosmology in exciting ways.
Re: We Are The World, We Are The Children
Date: 2007-03-12 03:56 pm (UTC)Change "only" to "mostly" and it's simply (and complexly) true. And the fact that such people (other than Simon R.) are using it self-mockingly rather than seriously pretty much proves my point. People sometimes refer to themselves self-mockingly as Nazis or fascists, but they still fundamentally mean "fascist" and "Nazi" to mean the other guy and to mean behavior that should be avoided. Whereas when I used my PBS metaphor I was referring to impulses and behavior that (1) I shared, (2) I thought were legitimate, (3) were culture-wide (so part of pop not just indie culture), and (4) I saw twisting into destructive outcomes.
Also, the serious convo that I want to drag you into doesn't have to be deadly dull, but in case it is, I don't want to dispense with it. Maybe it was deadly dull for Ticho Brahe (sp?) to work out his planetary locations and for Kepler to focus in on the fact that Brahe's data showed planets off by a little bit from where cosmology said they should be, but this dullness (if it was dullness) led to Kepler revolutionizing cosmology in exciting ways.
Re: We Are The World, We Are The Children
Date: 2007-03-12 04:06 pm (UTC)(fact: tycho brahe had a false nose made of gold!)