The History Of Jop Part 15 aka In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

If it's Thursday, it must be 1994! The grip of alt.rock and hip-hop - mostly alt.rock - on the Pazz and Jop poll is close to total, and Anglophiles aren't carrying much weight. This does mean that we've got a lot of tracks to rate that never came near a Now album, though!

NINE ticks out of 27 songs.


[Poll #853615]


1993 Joptimist Judgement

1. Cannonball (40 votes)
2. Go West (38 votes)
3. Insane In The Brain (34 votes)
4=. Heart Shaped Box (28)
4=. Oh Carolina (28)
6. Nuthin But A G Thang (26)
7. Creep (25)
8. Informer (24)
9. It Was A Good Day (23)
10. Show Me Love (19)

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Meanwhile In Britpop

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

The NME Top 50 - crossovers in bold. Typos courtesy of rocklist.

Blur: Girls & Boys
Oasis: Cigarettes & Alcohol
Oasis: Live Forever
Elastica: Connection
Sabres Of Paradise: The Theme
Beck: Loser
Supergrass: Caught By The Fuzz
Public Enemy: Give It Up
Oasis: Whatever
Beastie Boys: Sabotage
Goldie Presents Metalheads: Inner City Life
Blur: To The End
Oasis: Supersonic
Gene: Sleep Well Tonight
Whigfield: Saturday Night
Elastica: Line Up
The Stone Roses: Love Spreads
Blur: Parklife
Veruca Salt. Seether
Manic Street Preachers: Faster/Pcp
Tricky. Ponderosa
Wabren G: Regulate
Shampoo: Trouble
Dawn Penn: You Don't Love Me (No, No, No)
S*M*A*S*H: Lady Love Your Cvnt
Suede: Stay Together
Dj Shadow: Lost And Found
Primal Scream: Jailbird
Urge Overkill: Girl, You'll Be A Woman Soon
Madonna: Secret
S*M*A*S*H: Kill Somebody
Portishead: Sour Times
Bomb THe Bass: Bug Powder Dust
Salt 'N' Pepa Featuring En Vogue: Whatta Man
Nick Cave: Do You Love Me?
Manic Street Preachers: She Is Suffering
Soundgarden: Black Hole Sun
Suede: The Wild Ones
Orbital: Impact Usa
Youssou N'dour And Neneh Cherry: 7 Seconds
The Grid: Swamp Thing
Renegade Soundd Wave: Renegade Sound Wave
Portishead: Dumb
Hole: Miss World
Rem: What's The Frequency, Kenneth
Tricky! Aftermath
Jah Wobble & The Invaders Of The Heart: Becoming Moe Like God
Gorky's Zygotic Mynci: Merched
Gene: Be My Light, Be My Guide
Green Day: Welcome To Paradise

The Select Top 50 would add a few more treasured memories. Actually I'm surprised at the amount of crossovers which doesn't tally with my memory, I was clearly listening selectively!

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

My actual top 10 of this yr would have included Girls And Boys, Ponderosa, Regulate, You Don't Love Me, Bug Powder Dust, Sour Times, maybe Connection (though I took against Elastica for some reason). I was a fairly typical student I guess.

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

I still WUV 'Bug Powder Dust' obviously...

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

alt rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>> britpop so so much: while both were more than capable of PLUMBING THE DEPTHS britpop never had the capacity for a 'doll parts' or even a 'supernova'. britpop, for all its effeminacy (suede i am thinking of) was far more masculine than alt rock (esp if you shift the alt rock umbrella to include people like tori amos).

trip-hop better than both, mind. lovely trip-hop!

(did nick cave ever 'impact' on america?)
(why did this madonna song make both lists? it's v good but probably the worst single from this album!)

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Yep, Britpop was more masculine, at least once Oasis got going. I like Elastica's sex songs more than Liz Phair's sex songs, though.

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I took against J Frischmann for unknown reasons very early on though - I remember really really hating her and I have no idea why. I can't even really remember what Elastica sounded like, which is probably only because I ensured that I only heard one song by them ever.

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

they really weren't that bad, probably the best of the bunch even (the bunch being all the bands that get Britpop label, except Pulp perhaps but Elastica had more OOMPH than Pulp, often, even if it was just cos they were rippin off Wire or whatever)

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[katstevens.livejournal.com]

*sniff* I can't believe this poll was done on a day I was away from the interweb!

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

'why did this madonna song make both lists? it's v good but probably the worst single from this album!'

it has nice friendly GUITAR on it

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

'Bedtime Story' had Bjork as co-writer! 'Take A Bow' is perhaps her greatest ballad! 'Human Nature' has swears!

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

i agree they are all superior

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[koganbot]

"alt rock" and "britpop" not really equivalent as categories - "alt rock" was a huge catchall that embraced a giant mass of post-new-wave, postpunk music, from avantsies like Sonic Youth to mumblers like R.E.M. to airy folk-poppers like Mary Lou Lord to post-no-wavers like Half Japanese to grungers like Pearl Jam to melodic hardcore to shoe-gazers to shamblers to, well, britpoppers. Whereas britpop is a more concentrated sound-somewhat-like-each-other genre. So alt rock has a greater chance of good stuff through sheer numbers. (That said, if the Auteurs count as Britpop, then the genre deserves credit for "Bailed Out"'s exquisite, tuburcular beauty.)

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[carsmilesteve.livejournal.com]

weeeeelll, kinda. alt.rock over here (and how i'm assuming tom is using it above) was generally taken to mean american non-metal post-grunge guitar-based music (gotta love those hyphens ;)), often on major labels, ie the artistes above. it wasn't a compliment, and often prefixed with the phrase "whiney-mcshiney" (actually i may have made that last bit up ;)) so pearl jam, beck, all that lilith fair stuff, greg dulli, bush, all that american rubbish (yes, irony, there)

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

NME evidently not impressed by INDIE KYLIE

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

she wasn't Indie Kylie yet was she? Impossible Princess was still two or three years away. And she hadn't met Nick Cave yet.

"Confide in Me" was more SexKylie Phase 1 innit.

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

no for me 'Confide In Me' commences Indie Kylie pure and simple. I'm sure she had already duetted with the Manics on 'Little Baby Nothing' by this point also.

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

That was Traci Lords!

'Confide In Me' is trip-hop, not indie, it is v similar to Massive Attack's 'Sly'.

Re: Meanwhile In Britpop

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

Kylie performed it or recorded a version with them after Lords - I just can't remember when.

'Confide In Me' is Kylie's most indie solo single ;)

WHERE ARE THESE ANIMAL MEN????

[carsmilesteve.livejournal.com]

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