a fight for the soul of poptimism...

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...has broken out on this thread. Since I am now using 'poptimist' with scare quotes, it may be possible that I am about to publicly 'break' with 'the' 'movement'. :-)

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Dude, seriously, have either Lex or I ascribed being repulsed by PH to an anti-feminist stance? I know quite a few feminists who I can confidently predict would be repulsed by PH if they think about her at all. Also, ffs, misogyny is not anti-feminism, nor is anti-feminism necessarily misogyny.

My point is not that disliking PH cos of her behaviour post-sex video is inherently misogynistic, but that it can involve misogyny - does Dom's claim that she orchestrated the whole thing for exposure, then lied in order to get even more money from it, which attributes her with the lion's share of the power in this situation, mean that he's expressing his fear of potential female use of her sexuality for her own ends, or that he's celebrating her cunning at playing the gender-roles system? Or does it mean neither? That he heard it somewhere and thinks it plausible? That it's nothing to do with his attitudes to women, just to do with his attitudes to Paris Hilton? I'm not sitting here going "if you hate Paris you hate all women" because it's patently bollocks. But it's just as untrue to pretend that there isn't any misogyny involved in the reaction to Paris Hilton which boils down to "the correct reaction to the sex tape being sold would have been to never be seen in public again (never mind that she would still be known forever as 'that girl from the sex tape' no matter what she did), since she hasn't done that she is clearly shameless and A Bad Person who is probably to blame for it in the first place".

I'm confused, I'm afraid - Dom's version of events tells me that no-one knew about Paris before the sex tape which was two weeks before The Simple Life started airing; your version says that people were repulsed about her sexual behaviour before the sex tape appeared to confirm their repulsion, which implies either that she was known for her promiscuity or sexual adventuring (although i've heard the tape is very vanilla and she's mostly bored during?) or that only extreme prudes find the tape distasteful. Do we have a timeline anywhere that we can refer to?