POPFITES! 13, 14, 15 and 16!

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

Because I was too busy to do a POPFITE yesterday you get FOUR clashes today, to finish off the first round. In previous fites JARVIS won a convincing victory over CHRIS LOWE, and MICK JAGGER won out against HANK WILLIAMS.

As for today's fights, words cannot do them justice (i.e. I am starving and need to upload this and go get a sammich).


[Poll #780065]


TICK POWER!

Comments

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

My defns of both pop and indie are man-in-the-street Joe Public type definitions - the vast broad umbrellas by which someone who neither knows very much about nor cares very much about the fine points of genre boundaries will classify a particular song into POP or DANCE or ROCK and not much else. The kind of shorthand which gets bandied about all the time - eg in round-ups of the Mercury shortlist you'll see Franz Ferdinand called "indie heroes" by the BBC or whoever, and ILM will point and laugh but regardless that is what they are called by the average consumer. (This is partly because our defn of pop - "anything in the charts" - is useless to most people, because music not in the charts does not exist for most people; their musical categories are there to divide up what IS in the charts.)

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

"man-in-the-street Joe Public type definitions" :D :D :D :D

of today lex-nonsense = NONE MORE ON-STILTY!!

[cis.livejournal.com]

But where you fall down is that the man-in-the-street definitions do not see a binary difference between pop music and indie music. Yer man in the street is not going to say "i like that indie, like U2" because yer man in the street recognises that there are different categories - rap, rock, dance, pop Indie is a subset of rock, in main-in-the-street definitions, it's not a primary set of its own. Go into a high street HMV and the categories are: Rock&Pop, Metal (which includes all hard rock and punk), Dance, Urban. Man-in-the-street indie (one of my housemates described herself to me as an indie kid and said she liked the Arctic Monkeys and the Magic Numbers, I think that's a useful workable def) is found under 'rock and pop', not divisible from it.

If you're using man-in-the-street defs be consistent: yer man-in-the-street pop listener thinks the beatles were a pop band as much as a rock band. Yer man-in-the-street pop listener would not agree that "pop is about not playing your own instruments" because the question is not important and does not come up.

I don't think there's anyone who'd actually argue with FF being called 'indie'? The fact that some p'mists think certain FF songs are pop songs (can't hear it myself) does not prevent FF from also being an indie band. they're on domino, you know.

Also, people are allowed to just not like r'n'b, you know. It doesn't mean they're racists, it just means they're suffering from a serious taste deficit.

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I could understand, i dunno, a metalhead not liking r&b. But I can't understand people who like pop arbitrarily not liking a certain section of it! Bar a couple of formalisms which I can't imagine making a fundamental difference, I just don't see how pop and r&b are all that different.

I def think men-in-the-street (not to be confused with kidz-on-the-street) see a difference between "pop" and "indie" - I think it's primarily sonic though also to do with where the artist "comes from". (eg Arctic Monkeys and Magic Numbers are indie sonically, but guitar-based Kelly Clarkson is a known ex-Pop Idol so she is pop; Goldfrapp are probably thought of as pop due to sonicz too.) I mean, they WOULD see a difference between the Killers and Rachel Stevens.

[koganbot]

Personally, I don't understand how rock fans can stand most indie.