New Pop

Jun. 7th, 2006 01:35 pm
[identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
If you haven't voted in the Poptimists demographic survey, please do!

It makes interesting reading (FOR ME!) so far - we have a couple of years clearly in front as far as pan-generational excitement goes, and the agegroup distribution patterns are intriguing too - more detail on all this when I've got more votes in. The agegroup distribution is shaping up as expected - the majority of Poptimists (about 2/3) are in their twenties, with a handful under and a chunk over.

Something which does interest me in terms of the results - very few votes so far* for the early 80s, 80-83, the years of New Pop. New Pop has been repeatedly invoked - often by people who wouldn't consider themselves 'poptimists' I grant you - as a kind of pop ideal. Certainly as far as this - hugely unrepresentative - community goes, though, the number of people who remember it as exciting is dwindling. To recall New Pop as a critical moment you need to be 35 or more, I'd guess - even to remember it clearly as a pop moment you'd need to have hit 30. At some point New Pop is going to shift from being a beacon of inspiration to a stick to beat the kids with - perhaps that point has already passed...?

*(it's v.unscientific of me to mention this as there may now be a spike).

Date: 2006-06-07 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cis.livejournal.com
Greg and I were talking bout New Pop the other day! We decided it was the last time that indie people had tried to make pop records and actually made pop, rather than trying to make pop and still coming up with indie.

I like New Pop well enough I suppose, but I think of it as simultaneously being pop and not-pop, it's somehow disqualified from being er 'real pop'. I don't know whether this is because I was born in the early eighties so it had already passed into a series of canons before I could start thinking about it? The first time I came across ABC, Culture Club, etc was in the pages on Q magazine, after all. It's kind of... acceptable, credible, in a way that e.g. the Bay City Rollers or whatever aren't.

Date: 2006-06-07 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thenipper.livejournal.com
I have for a while been formulating the theory that the best pop has ALWAYS been made by formerly indie people: from the Beatles'n'Stones through Bowie, ABBA, New Pop, PSBs, Baxendale, Xenomania etc etc

Date: 2006-06-07 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thenipper.livejournal.com
He is an old mucker of St Etienne! Since 96, at least.

Date: 2006-06-07 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boyofbadgers.livejournal.com
Spirea X featuring Jim Beattie ex-Primal Scream! Call them by their name!

Date: 2006-06-07 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mostlyconnect.livejournal.com
Romo, innit?

Cis has NEVER HEARD belvedere kane - tom plz rectify, i cannot find it.

Date: 2006-06-07 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cis.livejournal.com
ROMO DOES NOT EXIST the melody maker made it uppppp

Date: 2006-06-07 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mostlyconnect.livejournal.com
NO ROMO NO WHOLE LOTTA HISTORY

THINGS I HAV SEEN:

Fosca demos from like 1997 in which they are inexplicably DADROCK
Every Sexus & Plastic Fantastic single in the Cowley Road Oxfam, about two months ago (also complete Rialto which all versions of every single XD)
Actual romo fanzines!

Date: 2006-06-07 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cis.livejournal.com
STOP MAKING THINGS UP

you totally put the Rialto singles in Cowley Road Oxfam, you were like 'actually I don't need these second and third copies, maybe I should free them so some eager young thing can discover and THRILL to the delights', weren't you, admit it.

Date: 2006-06-07 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mostlyconnect.livejournal.com
Can you forward me bK when you get it? Also boys by B.O.N. if you have.

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