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If you haven't voted in the Poptimists demographic survey, please do!
It makes interesting reading (FOR ME!) so far - we have a couple of years clearly in front as far as pan-generational excitement goes, and the agegroup distribution patterns are intriguing too - more detail on all this when I've got more votes in. The agegroup distribution is shaping up as expected - the majority of Poptimists (about 2/3) are in their twenties, with a handful under and a chunk over.
Something which does interest me in terms of the results - very few votes so far* for the early 80s, 80-83, the years of New Pop. New Pop has been repeatedly invoked - often by people who wouldn't consider themselves 'poptimists' I grant you - as a kind of pop ideal. Certainly as far as this - hugely unrepresentative - community goes, though, the number of people who remember it as exciting is dwindling. To recall New Pop as a critical moment you need to be 35 or more, I'd guess - even to remember it clearly as a pop moment you'd need to have hit 30. At some point New Pop is going to shift from being a beacon of inspiration to a stick to beat the kids with - perhaps that point has already passed...?
*(it's v.unscientific of me to mention this as there may now be a spike).
It makes interesting reading (FOR ME!) so far - we have a couple of years clearly in front as far as pan-generational excitement goes, and the agegroup distribution patterns are intriguing too - more detail on all this when I've got more votes in. The agegroup distribution is shaping up as expected - the majority of Poptimists (about 2/3) are in their twenties, with a handful under and a chunk over.
Something which does interest me in terms of the results - very few votes so far* for the early 80s, 80-83, the years of New Pop. New Pop has been repeatedly invoked - often by people who wouldn't consider themselves 'poptimists' I grant you - as a kind of pop ideal. Certainly as far as this - hugely unrepresentative - community goes, though, the number of people who remember it as exciting is dwindling. To recall New Pop as a critical moment you need to be 35 or more, I'd guess - even to remember it clearly as a pop moment you'd need to have hit 30. At some point New Pop is going to shift from being a beacon of inspiration to a stick to beat the kids with - perhaps that point has already passed...?
*(it's v.unscientific of me to mention this as there may now be a spike).
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Date: 2006-06-07 03:12 pm (UTC)Edward Jenner to thread!
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Date: 2006-06-07 03:35 pm (UTC)But while I was too young to vote for it as one of my favourite pop years, it is the only period of pop 'history' (i.e. any music that came out before I started buying and actively consuming music) that I have made made regular attempts to explore and listen to.
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Date: 2006-06-07 03:19 pm (UTC)It's possible, anyway. I've held up New Pop as an ideal plenty of times, I'm really noticing it lately as a trope among some 40something critics* - the demise of Smash Hits was a particular spark to the tinderbox. It's harmless enough, except for seemingly leading to people overrating Goldfrapp. I suppose my question wd be, if you don't remember New Pop, does its use as a referent annoy/baffle/excite you or what?
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Date: 2006-06-07 03:37 pm (UTC)1980, year that god made me n'shit: EVERY referent to the past used in the sloppy 'everything in 1981 was new pop'/'everything in 1991 was ardkore' way annoys me. and i can remember the charts in '91.
new pop is more baffling than ardkore cos it looks thinner on the chart ground. it's maybe more exciting, because i probably would have liked it at the time, while i wouldn't have been a owusay "cheesy quaver" (liked the tunes but not the other stuff).
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Date: 2006-06-07 03:33 pm (UTC)I like New Pop well enough I suppose, but I think of it as simultaneously being pop and not-pop, it's somehow disqualified from being er 'real pop'. I don't know whether this is because I was born in the early eighties so it had already passed into a series of canons before I could start thinking about it? The first time I came across ABC, Culture Club, etc was in the pages on Q magazine, after all. It's kind of... acceptable, credible, in a way that e.g. the Bay City Rollers or whatever aren't.
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Date: 2006-06-07 03:58 pm (UTC)Baxendale, Xenomania etc etcno subject
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Date: 2006-06-07 03:55 pm (UTC)2. I tentatively considered mentioning 1981 as one of my 3 years, but then I remembered being very annoyed by a lot of what actually got in the charts that year. For every 1x "Tainted Love", "Favourite Shirts" "Prince Charming" or "Don't You Want Me" (not to mention all the great pop that wasn't yet ready to cross over from Peel-land: Pigbag, Grandmaster Flash, Altered Images) there seemed to be 10x "Birdie Song", Shakey, Julio Iglesias and Stars on 45-type medley records. (Checking everyhit.com I find this to be Not Actually True, but that's how it felt at the time.)
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Date: 2006-06-07 04:42 pm (UTC)Although now we're dead old and she's had kids and has little time for wasting time in places like this or buying records so I am now returning the favour by feeding her all the best poptimist-type music (much to the annoyance of my indie brother-in-law)
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