"It's impossible to be Actual* Pop and Actual Rock simultaneously!"

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

the lex just claimed this: is he korrekt?

my response = it is NOT COMMON CERTAINLY but it has happened, like a kind of harmonic convergence within recorded music after -- with things after never the same as before

for example:
i. stones
ii. sabbaf
iii. slade/pistols (=essentially the same thing anyway)
iv. pulp fiction inspired resurgence of SURF sound

obv plenty of bands have been one then the other but not simultaneously, and some have even switched back again

*note use of ACTUAL here must not be employed in any kind of essentialist slipperiness, bcz that kind of behaviour is INDIE

Comments

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

there is 'overground vs underground' in dance tho, within subgenres such as House. maybe not so much now in New Popist Millennium. but you still have purists who love clubbing but hate Daft Punk, Jaxx, old Prodigy etc.

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I mean at the moment of the dancing, the consuming though - unlike with rock there is no sense that one is dancing in order to be against anything, one is dancing because one feels love.

[dubdobdee.livejournal.com]

the term "handbag house" is an "against" phrase surely?

cf also freakytigger's "None of that hardcore ecstasy with LSI on it mate" motto

but it's true neither of these against ideas are wielded ON THE DANCEFLOOR

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

I think by defn all genres have components of "against" in that if you have got to the stage of stating your preference for Genre X there is the unspoken clause of "as opposed to Genres Y and Z". But whereas with a lot of the genres/scenes referenced there's often this feeling of the act of consumption being in itself a stance against Other Stuff, dance rarely has that.

[cis.livejournal.com]

I don't think this is true. When one is dancing it is because one feels love, regardless of genre or millieu: PLUR etc aren't restricted to dance music alone. Indie disco dancing e.g. is dancing because of love, the difference is that indie disco dancing == dancing out of love for the specific familar (i know and love this song) whereas dance music dancing == dancing out of love for the general familiar (i recognise this beat, i know how to dance to it) with extra moments of the specific familar (dude was that the lovefood whisper? oh man!).

'Dance music people' definitely define themselves against others - the latest mixmag digs at listeners to Rhyming Slang &c. Where dance is different is that a lot of people who go out dancing don't consume by buying the records, they don't treat the music as central to their lifestyle in the same way as consumers of other genres do.