Formula

Jan. 27th, 2006 11:26 am
[identity profile] steviespitfire.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
What's wrong (or right) with formula in pop? It seems to go hand in hand with the apparent 'disposability' of pop, really. I'm all for it: from Motown to, well, Lu Cont, I guess. On the other hand, I'm listening to the Coldplay remix and though I like it well enough, I do worry that JLC's just caning the same tried and tested formula again and again.

So, what do youse think? About formula? I'm sure Tom will have some stuff to say, what with all the 60s pop he's listening to for Popular. :)

Date: 2006-01-27 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
The main thing the various Killers remixes have done is to convince me that Brandon Flowers actually has a great pop voice.

Madonna, yeah, not the best but she sings with more conviction than Chris M.

Date: 2006-01-27 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
He doesn't on "Talk" - the original "Talk" is such a mess anyway though.

Actually CM's chief distinctive quality as a vocalist (and what makes him the $$$) is how he combines dull Buckley-standard "soaring" with quavering private doubt.

Date: 2006-01-27 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Buckley himself is kinda distinctive to all who followed in his footsteps - it was technically quite breathtaking and hampered only by his lack of songwriting ability (it was very rarely used in conjunction with an actual melody). Whereas people like C Martin combine the most irritating aspects of the Buckley voice with too many technical limitations to pull it off.

Date: 2006-01-27 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
I have heard "Hallelujah" and it was completely ghastly.

Date: 2006-01-27 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Gwen can't sing though! At all! The best vocalist he's worked with is probably Juliet.

I thought JLC's Royksopp remix was kind of retreading old ground - I still love it but it loses a bit of the thrill of previous stuff (cf Rachel Stevens' 'So Good': at the time I said something along the lines of watching a fantastically put together film but already knowing the ending) because it's precisely what is expected of him. I suspect that if I dislike the Coldplay remix it will be more because of the elements of Coldplay left in rather than JLC's own additions.

Date: 2006-01-27 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
But not incorporating the ability to sing very many notes.

Date: 2006-01-27 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
It;s an asset for her, tho - she sounds like she's become a pop star through force of will. It also makes her more like the old pre-singing-lessons Madonna.

Date: 2006-01-27 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Yes I completely agree with this - Gwen's voice is fantastically suited to what she does. But it is not a great voice in the sense of being able to sing!

I remember last week someone on ILM took umbrage when I said that Cat Power had a limited voice - like, I love what she does too, but she has a range of three notes at most!

A PROUD BOAST

Date: 2006-01-27 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
I have never heard any Cat Power.

Re: A PROUD BOAST

Date: 2006-01-27 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I think you might like 'Free'.

Re: A PROUD BOAST

Date: 2006-01-27 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I prefer Fiona too! And Fiona gets much more kneejerk bad press because she was erroneously lumped in with Alanis Morissette at the start of her career.

Re: A PROUD BOAST

Date: 2006-01-27 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Yeah, Fiona's always been fascinating sonically - the blend of jazz and hip hop and cabaret long before people like Nellie McKay happened. And of course she was Jon Brion's protege LONG before he got indie cred by doing soundtracks to boring films...(which is why I find people who suddenly like Extraordinary Machine but not When The Pawn or even Tidal quite suspicious).

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