an amorous party at a farm

[piratemoggy.livejournal.com]

Courtesy of freakytigger and indeed FreakyTrigger, apparently we have all resolved our generational difficulties and become one big happy Radio Two family since 1966. Blimes.

Arbitrary Woodstock reference WTF

Of course you can't have an innaccurate and limited poll carried out without poptimists getting involved, with our great experience in POLL SCIENCE and superior democratic methods. Err. Anyway, I'm clearly not the best mod for this task but away we go.


[Poll #1443342]

It would be more thorough but I appear to be experiencing mild 'stealing wireless fail' so thought I'd just shove it out here quick.

Comments

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

if you wanted a list of recommended 70s music, where would you go for it?

pfork's lists for this era would likely be more diverse than any others out there bar individual elitist/more partizan lists

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[piratemoggy.livejournal.com]

Martin Skidmore! Or well, everywhere but P4K. I'm sure the Grau or somewhere has a list.

I think the chance of me or Lex looking for a list of 70s music at all is unlikely tho. There's too much now for all this archaeology.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

Martin's list would be very similar to Pfork's I strongly suspect - maybe tilting the balance towards soul and funk but probably not by much.

Can't see the Guardian's being better.

I agree with both points of your last sentence. I ignored the past for most of my life - this decade it's become a LOT easier to access the rich tapestries tho innit.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[piratemoggy.livejournal.com]

In all fairness, the fifties and sixties I would bother with but the seventies seem like such a desolate tundra, as cis put it. Although that said I did used to listen to loads of rock/punk from then so eh.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

i would say i think each period is equally worthy but i guess there is something about the technological (and cultural) transitions of the 70s that interest me more than what was going on before then. not as much as the 80s tho obv.

it strikes me as far from desolate tho - lots of different things going on, lots of relatively new ideas and game-changin'...either more so than before or as much.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

This is so, so wrong (the desolate tundra bit)

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[piratemoggy.livejournal.com]

Mnn; to be honest, I think it's probably more I can't identify a specific seventies sound as well as I can a sixties or fifties or eighties one. I just had a think and there's loads of seventies stuff I like, it's just I think of it as [genre] not [era].

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

I had never really tried to think of "the 70s" as an era (rather than a succession of genres) until Ned Raggett gave me Rhino's Super Sounds Of The Seventies box set as a wedding present.

Having listened to that (and the similar Disky set)... it was a very, very odd time. Not necessarily more varied than the 80s, or the 90s, or whatever. Just much harder to get into the heads of the people making the records and imagine WHY they were writing and recording the things they were.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Given how little I trust what Pitchfork recommends of 90s and 00s music, and how the site's overall aesthetic is about as far removed from mine as you can get, and how their 90s/00s lists pretty much disgust me, why would I trust them on ANYTHING? 1-2 individual writers excepted.

If I was to go back to the 70s I'd be more specific than "70s music" (I mean wtf is "90s music" or "00s music", they don't mean anything) - I'd want 70s disco, or 70s soul or something. And in those cases I would go to someone who knew and deeply loved those genres, certainly not Pitchfork.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

despite some sense of rockcentricity i'm not aware of a site as big as theirs with an outlook as broad as theirs (it could be broader but so could everyone).

it's not a trust issue for me given how much stuff they do cover.

i don't always want specific and overviews are usually good as this reflects my tastes and interests as both novice and dilettant. 70s music means music made in the 70s - it doesn't have to mean anything else.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[alexmacpherson.livejournal.com]

Oh come it's totally indie/rock centric. A token here and there from other genres, usually the most "crossover" friendly, makes them LESS credible on R&B, garage etc, not more.

What kind of mood do you have to be in to listen to "70s music"? "Music made in the 70s" doesn't conjure anything up for me. I mean, does it make any sense at all lumping Joni Mitchell and Donna Summer together? Would it make any sense throwing Ashlee Simpson and Omar-S together as some putative "00s music" category? Music doesn't work like that.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

You're just criticising them for not doing something which nobody seems able or willing to do tho ie equal coverage and representation of all pop genres.

That would be nice to see but in the meantime they seem to be among if not the broadest.

Re your last point are you saying that no collective should bother doing any kind of list which isn't genre-specific or culturally narrowed (or 'focussed' if you prefer) in some similar way? Is this your 'team sports suck' thing again?!

Lumping Mitchell and Summer together makes sense in the context of me wanting to hear music by both - that is something they have in common and this connection is sufficient justification for a period-based list ft. both plus music from every other genre popular at the time.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

I think The Lex's campaign to remove Andrew WK from poptimist history suggests that he's against tokenism from the other direction :)

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[braisedbywolves.livejournal.com]

You could be in a mood to be educated, if you didn't know anything about music from the 70s in general? This is much the situation I'm in too - my view of the decade is basically "dreadful then punk", and I should examine that at some point.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[meserach.livejournal.com]

Any view of the seventies which excludes Marc Bolan needs examination, yep.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

if you wanted a list of recommended 70s music, where would you go for it?


Hi dere!

No srsly my top 100 albums of the 70s is 10x better than PF's.

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[chezghost.livejournal.com]

The thing is I wouldn't solely rely on individuals for this kind of thing...

Where is your list tho, or better yet a Spfy playlist (one track per album)?

Re: there was a dog! he had two bones!

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

haha I'm looking for it now. (I thought it was on my werk PC but I've obviously saved it to a floppy at some point. But which one?)

IIRC my list was done immediately after the PF one and was a reaction to it. I deliberately picked things that made none of the individual PF contributer's lists*. So there is no overlap at all. Lots of pop albums in mine.

I'll have a go at creating a song list for you (that'll be fun!), avoiding tracks that were singles where possible. A few of my picks were singles comps though...

(*To be fair, a lot of these are quite interesting, certainly more so than the consensus 100)

Found it!

[jeff-worrell.livejournal.com]

Found the list. As well as pop, there's a wee bit of contemporary classical on it. Do you want to know about these? I can always swap 'em out for something else.