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THE MAIN EVENT! These are #s 50-42 of the Top 50 as voted for by you (there's a tie at #40 so we'll see those tomorrow). Thanks to the miracle of embedding disabled by request you'll have to investigate some of these away from the comforting womb of LJ - sorry, it's The Man's fault.

50. BRITNEY SPEARS - "Womanizer"

Something of a fall from grace for poptimists favourite Britney: the nudie video to her song about a machine that makes women can be found here.

49. BLACKOUT CREW - "Put A Donk On It"

A lesson we can all learn.



47=. THE VERONICAS - "Untouched"

Imperious, desperate teenpop.



47=. DAVEIGH CHASE - "The Happiest Girl In The Whole USA"

Something of a surprise entry, this isn't a single or even released track, it's a performance from TV drama Big Love, which I had never heard of. I will leave it to its nominators to explain the context (tho you can get the gist on Wikipedia)



45=. PUSSYCAT DOLLS - "When I Grow Up"

Embedding disabled on all PCDs' videos, here is this one.

45=. BLACK KIDS - "I'm Not Going To Teach Your Boyfriend How To Dance With You"

It strikes me that Universal are shooting themselves in the foot a bit by refusing to make the video from nindie pan-flashers Black Kids embeddable! Hear its jaunty retro-jangle here.

44. PUSSYCAT DOLLS - "I Hate This Part"

Them again! Beating its fellow Pussycat track by a whisker - here the girls get a bit more sensitive.

43. IDA MARIA - "I Like You So Much Better When You're Naked"

A scratchy vid that takes me back to the halcyon days of Mambo Taxi etc. Not much talked about on Poptimists, it seems to me.



42. PALEFACE ft KYLA - "Do You Mind (Crazy Couzinz Remix)"

For whatever reason, funky house hasn't caught the poptimist imagination the way bassline did last year (though actually I think only T2 showed up in last year's poll). I like Kyla, she has an honest face.



Check back tomorrow for #40-31!

Re: latin

Date: 2009-01-05 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
yes the salsa thing is omnipresent -- when i as home at dad's one of the carers was talkin to my sister about a salsa class she was goin to in some TINY ULTRA-RURAL SHROPSHIRE TOWN, i nearly blurted out my ubersobbish metropolitan scorn for the quality of the lessons, but luckily bit my tongue in time

for some reason the latin thing is wide in brit pop culture but not "deep" -- it seems utterly to pervade a layer of leisure-time and leisure-type functional music without ever reaching "up" or "down", as it were, into neighbouring layers (i sourly think some of this is a general brit ineptness with rhythm that isn't in foursquare marchtime; that's to say, plenty of brits have an ear for this, but the ear has never been allowed cultural expression of sustenance in brit culture)

(i'm not really explaining this very well)

Re: latin

Date: 2009-01-05 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
No you are, I get you (and agree) - "wide but not deep" was what my post was trying to get to. The lack of Hispanic influence in British culture is only noticeable b/c it's globalised itself so effectively though, right? And b/c it's not as exotic as say Russian culture - Brits have holidayed in Spain for time immemorial, obv US culture has a huge Hispanic streak. So yeah, that explains the wide-but-not-deep thing.

Which actually makes me more convinced that it's not an issue which puts people off UK funky - which isn't a Hispanic scene, and its vague Latin feel fits precisely into the general British wide-not-deep schematic. It's about as genuinely Latin as Geri Halliwell's Spanish single (though er a bit better).

Re: latin

Date: 2009-01-05 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
i think it's subtler and stranger than this -- the tranche that seems subliminally allergic is reacting against an IDEA of latin rather than something they have knowledge of (so it can encompass stuff which the cognoscenti don't consider latin)

(tbh this ties into my burgeoning theory of the british love-hate/fascination-fear for musicality as a whole -- i need to sit down and work this out too)

Re: latin

Date: 2009-01-05 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oh please do - I often find myself kneejerk-shouting "why can't people just do things PROPERLY" about British pop/culture; the tendency to wallow in deliberate crapness (and the uglier flipside of that, tall-poppy syndrome, cutting people down who seek to rise up) is near the top of my "reasons to emigrate to the US" list.

Re: latin

Date: 2009-01-05 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
My latest theory as foundation for this is: UK was traditionally and generally more receptive to American musical invention than anyone else because there's no language barrier. Also the UK was in a position where the lure of becoming more like the USA was desirable than for any other country in Europe (special relationship and all that). This results in many great and indeed, crucially, inimitable responses but you are never really going to beat people at their own game. SO better to remix that, fuse it with your own ideas and influences from elsewhere. Other countries 'caught up' and overtook in certain ways but there are other factors to explain a decline in art, media and consumer standards here too.

Obv it also depends on what is meant by 'properly'. Some people would insist there is a 'proper' way to make rock n' roll, we read this tedious line about proper pop meaning Girls Aloud when it used to mean Take That and before them something else again. Radiohead are surely doing their thing 'properly' etc.

Re: latin

Date: 2009-01-05 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Finding yrself kneejerk-shouting about doing things properly IS British culture :)

Re: latin

Date: 2009-01-05 06:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
This isn't a direct comment on what's been said here, but Latin music has had a hidden presence in a huge amount of modern "Anglo-American" pop music - for instance, "Louie Louie," "Like A Rolling Stone," "Wild Thing," all based on a quick run up and down the I-IV-V (or Vm) that was standard as a fill in Cuban music (and probably in other Latin music; Dylan has said that the chorus to "Like A Rolling Stone" was taken from "La Bamba," which was a Mexican folk song that was already 250 years old [according to Wiki, anyway] before Richie Valens got to it). The Pete Hammond Mix of Alphabeat's "Boyfriend" draws on freestyle (a.k.a. "Latin hip-hop"); as did a few New Order hits (though I don't remember their names). Most of this music doesn't announce itself as "Latin," however.

Also, I wonder if 2-step (in the country music sense, but perhaps also in the underground garage sense) owes its presence in modern music to northern Mexico/southern Texas polka stylings that have been ongoing since the mid-nineteenth century.

(I hope someone who knows more about this than I drops in on this thread.)

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