Date: 2008-11-18 12:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
The consequence for pop, it seems to me, is a loss of togetherness

Whether this is true or not, it has been a theme in music criticism since about 1968.

Date: 2008-11-18 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
yes i was thinking the same -- the assumption of the "loss of the shared centre" as a recurrent popcult fear

Date: 2008-11-18 12:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
It's surely because the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

Date: 2008-11-18 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
what rough mix, its hour come round at last,
slouches towards ILM to be born?

Date: 2008-11-18 01:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
Well, what might be "monocultural" about Britney is that people who barely knew anything about her were still willing to define themselves against each other. I remember a man whose writer's group I was about to join telling me that Britney represented the emptiness of culture, and he hastened to add that he'd never actually heard her music. And in '01 or so the major Denver art's festival touted itself in its promotional literature and banner as being an alternative to Britney Spears.

Which of course means the monoculture is not dead!

Date: 2008-11-18 01:31 pm (UTC)
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One reason I don't trust Andrew Sullivan is that he considers Britney and Paris to be cultural detritus (in comparison to Obama, who'd basically been abandoned by his parents and through application and intelligence worked his way up to heading the law review at Harvard etc.).

Date: 2008-11-18 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
The word "detritus" being telling in this context, since it literally means debris, fragments, loose particles, and derives from the Latin term for "wearing away."

Date: 2008-11-18 01:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
And of course if you think of Fifties TV as the original "monoculture," Elvis was the guy who fragmented that, or at least signaled the fragmentation that already existed, since he was allowed on TV but with restrictions, implying that on TV he was an alien presence that TV had to carry but wouldn't endorse. The rise of TV actually aided the rise of rock 'n' roll from 1950 or so, since TV became the dominant medium for narrative series, displacing radio, so radio shifted almost exclusively to music, and it was seized by the teenage* netherworld** (which appropriated for itself the r&b of adult blacks, which of course made a lie of the idea of a monoculture quite obvious).

*Or should I say "teen-age."

**The "teenage netherworld" is Tom Wolfe's term from "The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby" in '63 or so, about the custom car culture. Of course, Wolfe specialized in writing about cultural forms that were popular but under the radar.

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