[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
Tough luck Adele - Basshunter is still giving you a slap round the chart chops! The top 5 is looking pretty familiar, but what else is going on in this week's chart?

[Poll #1132774]

(Apologies if I've missed anything or repeated anything - the blimmin' Radio 1 page hasn't put up the new entry/high climber details yet so I'm going on guesswork here.)

Date: 2008-02-04 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
We had K Minnow in last year's polls (it briefly nudged into the chart at Xmastide)!

The one you've missed out is the other Adele single, which I don't think ever charted before.

Date: 2008-02-04 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lockedintheatti.livejournal.com
This link is better than the radio 1 one, as it has the full chart, and is easy enough to see which are new to the top 40

http://uk.launch.yahoo.com/c/uk/single_charts.html

Date: 2008-02-04 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
No worries - the presence of "Wow" means I can avoid the dreaded NHA box this week

Date: 2008-02-04 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
I was! Thankyou Kat! I am no doubt going to be pottering about on LJ despite paper panic tho.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
Also I make mistakes every third week anyway.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Yeah - the chart commentary can be quite interesting too.

This (http://theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php) has the full top 100.

urbnri

Date: 2008-03-02 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
ohh aye mon the ri...fuckin love them !!

Date: 2008-02-04 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Hot Chip - yes please! as per my review of it. I think it's probably the best song they've ever done though obviously by themselves they'll never touch the skyscraper heights of Erol Alkan's remix of 'Boy From School'.

One Night Only - the entire song sounds constipated

Elliot Minor - not even bothering any more

Kylie - as meh as it was last year

Mark Brown and Sarah Cracknell - OK I guess? probably the lowest level of tickability though

The other Adele single is really fucking terrible, what is she playing at? The lyrics are like a 10-year-old's response to 7 July or some shit.
(http://music.guardian.co.uk/electronic/reviews/story/0,,2249847,00.html)

Date: 2008-02-04 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomewells.livejournal.com
The thing with Hot Chip is always that they're playing round with other styles of music and by and large getting them wrong, but they often get it wrong in a wonderful way. Sometimes they just get it wrong full stop mind and I've never been 100% sure whether the amateurish feel is a fault or a virtue, or swinging between the two several times within the course of one album. This one falls into the latter category. A trancey remix would be nice though.

The Mark Brown/Sarah Cracknell one brings out some kind of Pavlovian response in me where I feel an irrepressible urge to go out and get a mortgage or a bank loan or something. I don't want my pop music to remind me of the financial services industry thankyou.

Haven't heard any of the others and don't really care.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
'other styles' suggests that they're not sticking to their own type or the music they should be making...but what would this be anyway?

they are just the Junior Boys You Can Dance To for me half the time.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Alexis Taylor can only dream of having the emotional pull of Jeremy Greenspan's voice! HC are a lot more ramshackle and have-a-go than J Boys (which is why they're nowhere near as good).

Date: 2008-02-04 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomewells.livejournal.com
I think they're about on a par with the Junior Boys but I love the Junior Boys' best stuff far more.

I think his vocals are fine and actually quite affecting when he's doing soft and fragile. What bothers me is when the tempo and the abrasiveness pick up and he comes across as someone trying to punch above his weight and failing. Out At The Pictures for example. It's a minor quibble though, I really like the album on first listen.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Haha it's the other way round for me. I think his songwriting skillz - melodies, hooks and so on are good enough, and the propulsiveness of their dancey numbers effective enough to carry him along, but when the arrangements are sparser his vocal failings are magnified a lot more. (A pity because I think some of their ballads would be really, really good with a better singer, or someone who wasn't so QUAVERY at least.)

Date: 2008-02-04 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
i disagree here. if anything Taylor's voice being even brittler at times can result in an emotional pull just as strong as Greenspan's but in a different way.

if the Junior Boys did something uptempo i don't think it would sound any less 'ramshackle' (maybe this is why they stay slow).

Date: 2008-02-04 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Maybe Greenspan just knows his range better but he never sounds as if he's straining to hit any notes (and he can belt it out at times, and he's not averse to sustaining notes). I can't imagine J Boys would ever sound ramshackle - they make a point of always sounding very clean, pure, pristine; and when they're remixed to be uptempo it's always worked fine.

The key difference between Greenspan and Taylor though is that Greenspan's voice comes into its own when the music is stripped away (eg 'When No One Cares' or 'FM'), whereas Taylor's sounds exposed.

Date: 2008-02-04 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
i don't really like the sound of Greenspan's voice as much tho to be honest, so any technical superiority isn't so relevant to me. i do like the JB's but find them less fun (as i'm defining that for this argument's sake).

Date: 2008-02-04 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomewells.livejournal.com
I'm not making that suggestion, they're dilettante indie kids and I'm sure their love for all their influences is genuine and what they end up making is far better than whatever pale indie nonsense they'd come up with if they sat in the comfort zone.

Date: 2008-02-04 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com
are they particularly 'indie kid' tho? not really sure what defines this anymore

i guess their sound isn't as directly 'black' as Jaxx's or even GA's but they're no more eclectic than those two.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
Hot Chip - This one has been going round in my brain all weekend after I didnt play it at Poptimism: HOT CHIP'S REVENGE. I think Matt is right about the amateurishness working on this one. In my head the vocal sounds like China Crisis! Tick.

One Night Only - I quite liked its bounciness but rly is there a special school where they train people to be boring singers?

Elliot Minor - I always think, oh EM get a raw deal, we all like Busted dont we, and then I hear them. They are OK at writing verses that make you think you're going to get a really great pop-punk chorus, on this evidence.

Mark Brown ft Sarah Cracknell - residual loyalty to la crackers doesnt stop me recognising and disapproving of the hook here. Also she's pretty watery on it. Incidentally, there is a fucking DELUGE of post-Feist nonsense on the advertbox at the moment.

URBNRI - SWEET CHRISTMAS. I think the phrase is "God help us if there's a war".

Date: 2008-02-04 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
what is the Cracknell hook? I don't recognise it...

Date: 2008-02-04 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
The cut up opera singer vox are from a Lloyds TSB advert (though I misremembered it as being from a phones advert, but it's mimsy whatever the product).

(Well, the whole track is a TSB ad, but not the cracknell bit which is added on to turn it into a song)

Date: 2008-02-04 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Oh ffs, adverts. Lloyds TSB eh? This may be enough to push it below tickworthiness for me.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
it'll be the DREADFUL Alesha single next which is being entirely promoted through the medium of a car advert.

Date: 2008-02-04 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
I think the song is pretty awful too! Horrid play-it-safe dishwater ballad-by-numbers which is made even worse when you think of how amazing Alesha once was. It's depressing to think that the best pop star this country has produced this decade has been reduced to this. WE WERE IN MIS-TEEQ. WE SANG 'B WITH ME' AND 'ONE NIGHT STAND' AND 'SCANDALOUS'. And...now...this...

Date: 2008-02-04 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com
Welcome to the nu pop biz I guess - the Guy Hands style vision of sponsored pop where everything's synergised like sport is.

Date: 2008-02-04 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
ha ha I feel bad now because this advert came on and C asked 'what is this song, it is on the radio at the moment' and I went 'don't be daft it is a rub advert theme and no-one in their mind would release it as a single' :-(

Date: 2008-02-04 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
lumme urbnri are quite shocking aren't they?

DERE LORD (http://www.urbnri.com/bio.htm), if there's a war it looks like they'll all be locked up anyway...

Only Love Can Tick Your Heart

Date: 2008-02-04 04:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
Hot Chip "Ready For The Floor": Godawful attenuated indie voice; you who defend it upthread are wrong, and even more wrong is all the poo-poo adorable noises they use for beats. And a pale attenuated tune sounding like McCartney trying to essay a style that's older than he is. And it's quite a good melody, taking this to tickland. Damn it.

One Night Only "Just For Tonight": See, this has stronger singing than those Hot Chip losers do, and a half-way present vocal. But it sounds even more trapped in its style. Also, terrible band name. Borderline, but I don't have to tick if I don't want to, right? So I won't.

Elliot Minor "Still Figuring Out": They describe themselves on their MySpace as "indie-rock-classical." Stop insulting yourselves! You are a teenpop boyband, w/ chops. I definitely should have ticked them last year, but I don't think I did. Oh well, the past is the past. Now all this song needs is an annoying, emphatic emo chorus and this would be, I don't know, a song worth ticking. Instead, we get an annoying, emphatic Bowling For Soup-style wanky cuteness. Hmmm. Borderline. Geez, if I'm going to tick Hot Chip I should tick this. NO! That is ledger book reasoning! (Voice pops in, "But I find ledger books useful in not bouncing checks and ruining people's lives and stuff.") Oh, I don't think I'll care one way or another if I hear this again. My ledger book doesn't care either, so we're in accord. No tick.

Kylie Minogue "Wow": As untickable now as it was before. Could have been a nice, slight bit of dance piffle, except the voice being as resolutely slight as the arrangement makes this almost defiantly negligible, which does not help it sound good.

Mark Brown f. Sarah Cracknell "The Journey Continues": Ms. Cracknell, as far as I'm concerned you will forever be known to me as The One Who Didn't Sing "Only Love Can Break Your Heart." Anyhow, here we have an annoying, irritatingly mannered good voice on a classical sample augmented by an annoying, irritatingly mannered good voice from the woman who didn't sing "Only Love Can Break Your Heart." But this is a nice song, I'm afraid. Borderline, but a tick, despite my conviction that these arty subdebs need to be punished.

URBNRI "Young Free Simple": Don't know if this is intentional, but the punk-mugging vocals are funny in their pugnacious way. As good ol' clumsy pop-punkers all they need is a tuneful-enough tune and they're on the highway to tickville. So is it tuneful enough? No. Not so bad, but no.

Re: Only Love Can Tick Your Heart

Date: 2008-02-04 04:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
Just listened to the original "Eliza's Aria" and I have to admit that Brown/Cracknell make it much better in their own context.

Date: 2008-02-04 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
I much prefer the original. But "The Journey" just about merits a tick

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