I am clearly going spend all a'noon responding to quotes from a blog post I can't read but GNNNN this is the whole everyday life thing again - Kogan is NOT WRITING TO K-PUNK AND HIS BLOGOSPHERE MATES he is writing in a free paper for a general audience for whom this stuff hasn't been "refuted". And also isn't the whole piece directly SAYING yes this writes-own-songs stuff is a bit of a side issue, let's look at the social issues behind it?
k-punk says 'it's irrelevant to the TRUE war' and people who hold those views are just irrelevant. k-bot seems to be saying, or I'd like him to be saying 'why do people carry on holding views which seem a bit beside the point as soon as you start to think about them' but also 'why are there people who continue to think that there's a true war to be fought', what are these views *doing* for the people who hold them and how are they connected to class.
So k-punk is not as bad as someone saying 'anyone who holds this view is an idiot who needs to be sorted out' but no-one seems to be saying this, and in the context k-punk's view seems more unpleasant.
EDIT: especially when he IS saying that about popists but since THEY are all public school toffs WE can all agree on the fact that they are idiots. LOLZ.
& "the real war" is a load of ppl arguing with each other on the Internet. It's a closed circle - barely anyone new is reading the "pop blogosphere" on either "side", Scrabulous has killed it.
Or should I expect to see K-Punk at the Cross Kings on the 1st Sept TOOLED UP then?
Oh something I always wanted to ask about Scrabulous - how work-friendly is it! B/c so many people have added it but even by my lax standards I can't imagine having the time or the ability to get away with obvious scrabble on screen...
he is like one of those soldiers holed up in a foxhole twenty years after the end of the war taking potshots at shadows he glimpses in the jungle, believing that everything he hears on the radio about the end of the war is propaganda designed to make him come out into the open.
Yes, I haven't read the K-Punk piece either, not because I can't but because I felt I had better things to do with my time (one can construe this as either anti-intellectualism or sanity), but what Tom's saying here is very important. My piece isn't interested in refuting Nathan's statement but in understanding it, and in fact I see myself as posing questions and suggesting ideas that no one else ever has about such statements (well, no one that I know of; I hope someone somewhere has), and I assume that - while the issue "does ______ write his own lyrics" is a stand-in issue - the inchoate perceptions and impulses that it stands in for are quite real and potent.
Maybe K-Punk addresses this later in his piece, but I'm too anti-intellectual/sane to find it.
Half of me thinks k-p hasn't read one of your column all the way through, Frank. He clearly doesn't understand the motivation behind it. Is he even aware of this community and what we talk about/the manner in which we talk about it?
'no' is the short answer. And the long answer. I genuinely don't think he's interested in knowing what we talk about or how, and I'm slightly worried by why I still feel under attack when I also think that is the case!!
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Date: 2007-08-22 02:34 pm (UTC)So k-punk is not as bad as someone saying 'anyone who holds this view is an idiot who needs to be sorted out' but no-one seems to be saying this, and in the context k-punk's view seems more unpleasant.
EDIT: especially when he IS saying that about popists but since THEY are all public school toffs WE can all agree on the fact that they are idiots. LOLZ.
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Date: 2007-08-22 02:40 pm (UTC)Scrabulous has killed it.Or should I expect to see K-Punk at the Cross Kings on the 1st Sept TOOLED UP then?
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he is like one of those soldiers holed up in a foxhole twenty years after the end of the war taking potshots at shadows he glimpses in the jungle, believing that everything he hears on the radio about the end of the war is propaganda designed to make him come out into the open.
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Date: 2007-08-22 04:12 pm (UTC)Maybe K-Punk addresses this later in his piece, but I'm too anti-intellectual/sane to find it.
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