Poptimism THORT for the day

[freakytigger.livejournal.com]

"pop is a map of the world at large (everything else is a map of 1xcommunity at small)"

That one submitted by dubdobdee.

Comments

Re: May I humbly refer you to...

[dickmalone.livejournal.com]

Now I think including entire bands was the wrong way to go; entire bands can be within a certain catagory, but it maybe more comes down to elements. On the one hand, I think it would be useful to look at a band that does sound like Sabbath as pop, but I also can't think of any bands (admittedly my scope is limited) that do sound entirely like Sabbath did. There are bands that sound entirely like Zepp and the Pistols did (Wolfmother, Green Day) but those bands are pop. Generally bands that don't think of themselves as pop only incorporate some elements of these genreic-but-pop bands, either musically or methodologically, so those elements would still be pop-II. And these bands are very much pop in some ways. I'm not saying their genre roots should be de-emphasized but I also think these elements have made their way into future genres via pop, not subcultures.

As for III, yeah, needs more refining, but I still think it's useful. Amateurs is probably the wrong word; I more meant whatever the opposite of "artist" is. Crafting music to commercial standards/requirements, rather than following your muse etc., or imitating people who once made art to commercial standards. The "old snob" view. I also think it's genuinely worth drawing a line at the age of mechanical reproduction. The historical precedents are useful but are really part of a different world.

Thanks for the thoughts, though, these are all things I need to consider.