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1989, the number, another poll - something to do while you count the minutes until POPTIMISM TONIGHT AT THE UNION TAVERN (ahem).

Only EIGHT picks this time because Tone Loc's "Wild Thing" was a duplicate.

[Poll #837465]

Sweet Jop Of Ours (1988)

1. Push It (38 votes)
2. Sweet Child O Mine (35)
3. Don't Believe The Hype (34)
4. Paid In Full (33)
5. Alphabet Street (28)
6. Birthday (27)
7. Crash (26)
8. Welcome To The Jungle (25)
9. My Prerogative (23)
10=. Fast Car (20)
10=. It Takes Two (20)

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From:

jauntyalan.livejournal.com

so i have great memories of 78/89 and 88/89, but i can't put my finger on anything too ace 98/99. i mean i liked a lot of music around that time, but it didn't feel like a "nexus" the way those two eras did. does anyone know what i am getting at here, or is it all retrospective mind-fabricated bollox?

From:

jauntyalan.livejournal.com

(i meant 78/79 and 88/89 obv)

From:

koganbot

I don't get this either. 77-79 was an amazing era, but it was something like the opposite of a nexus, w/ disco and punk leading separate lives, maybe something pulling together at the very end w/ B-52s suggesting a new-wave new way into disco; but the pulling together came in the early '80s, and that nexus still doesn't take in so much of the great music of the time. Can see maybe a pseudo-nexus in Britain in the late '80s w/ various attempts to incorporate hip-hop and hip young dance, "Buffalo Stance" being a good example whereas the "Paid In Full" remix and "Pump Up the Volume" seem really shallow to me (fun, nonetheless) and anyway TOTALLY LEAVING HAIR METAL out of the great nexus. (Some great music, nonetheless.) 1999 wasn't a nexus either, but of my great elevenses - my fave years for music may well be 1966, 1977, 1999, and 1988, in that order - it's the year whose greatness seemed to set the pattern for the years that followed, w/ Max Martin and Mannie Fresh and Timbo and Beyoncé et al. still in the DNA of 2006. Whereas 1966 was defeated in several years, 1977 had something of a dance future, but punk evolved into something like its opposite (hardcore and indie-alternative), and the great from '88 (PE and Def Leppard and Company B, for instance) all were pretty much deep-sixed culturally in a few years, and the M/A/R/R/S-type pseudo stew was replaced by other stews.

From:

jauntyalan.livejournal.com

i was using nexus to impy the "pulling together" as you put it, or a feeling that things were falling into place. perhaps with 88/89 i am thinking of the indie/dance/proto-rave thing which seemed like a monolithic wide-church "scene". the 78/79 would have been new wave, after punk and disco.

but i am really too young to have a proper perspective. and as ppl are saying it may well just be me - just the things happening to me (78 =autonomous love of music, 88=autonomous life entirely).

From:

blue-russian.livejournal.com

Bollox, I think, but I also think that if you shifted your timeframe to say, 99-00 or 00-01, you'd find your nexus.

From:

chezghost.livejournal.com

98/99 is when people started noticing how this thing called 'mp3' was gonna fuck shit up. by end of '99 Napster was well known among the l33t. i like to think this serves as comparative nexus in the absence of no signficiant sense of 'newness' in music itself (unless you count Britney reclamation of credible pop, a 2 step/speed garage scene on the wane a bit, the birth of Kompakt and, uh, nu-metal)

From:

alexmacpherson.livejournal.com

no way!

as matt says below 00-02 was more obviously a nexus but it all stemmed from stuff happening 98-00. 98-02 was very much my second formative period, amazing pop appearing on all fronts: missy, kelis, timbaland, neptunes, britney, xtina, lauryn, aaliyah were all AMAZING 98-00.