i. = characteristic (someone is totally undiscerning = can't tell one song fron another) ii. = value as linked in to a particular discussion-sphere
(ie re ii.: if you argue that LOUD = ROXOR, then high volume is a desirable quality and sign of value)
i think the poptimistic tic is to be on the alert for CHARACTERISTICS YOU ARE DRAWN TO over and above (and in fact prior to) VALUES YOU HAVE COME TO (or been taught to recognise) as "qualities acknowledged and sought after by the cognoscenti" -- of course bcz the latter move in and out of fashion, the characteristic you are drawn to MAY (in former times) have been a quality acknowledged and sought after by a now-dispersed or vanquished cognoscenti; and it may actually be a quality acknowledged and sought after by a current ruling cognoscenti you just happen not to be in with
(what i'm getting at is that the judgment "this is good bcz it exhibits a thing that those in the know KNOW is a sign of being good" -- the sense of comparing it to a approval checklist -- is NOT poptimist: you are checking your own responses come what may, and then -- afterwards -- pinning down what it is yr responding to)
viz "everyone is saying this song is bad bcz TEH LOUD is WHERE IT'S AT, but what *i* like about it is that there are five Ks in the title!"
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Date: 2007-03-06 04:50 pm (UTC)i. = characteristic (someone is totally undiscerning = can't tell one song fron another)
ii. = value as linked in to a particular discussion-sphere
(ie re ii.: if you argue that LOUD = ROXOR, then high volume is a desirable quality and sign of value)
i think the poptimistic tic is to be on the alert for CHARACTERISTICS YOU ARE DRAWN TO over and above (and in fact prior to) VALUES YOU HAVE COME TO (or been taught to recognise) as "qualities acknowledged and sought after by the cognoscenti" -- of course bcz the latter move in and out of fashion, the characteristic you are drawn to MAY (in former times) have been a quality acknowledged and sought after by a now-dispersed or vanquished cognoscenti; and it may actually be a quality acknowledged and sought after by a current ruling cognoscenti you just happen not to be in with
(what i'm getting at is that the judgment "this is good bcz it exhibits a thing that those in the know KNOW is a sign of being good" -- the sense of comparing it to a approval checklist -- is NOT poptimist: you are checking your own responses come what may, and then -- afterwards -- pinning down what it is yr responding to)
viz "everyone is saying this song is bad bcz TEH LOUD is WHERE IT'S AT, but what *i* like about it is that there are five Ks in the title!"