[identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
I've still not decided (see yesterday evening's poll) about what to do with the P&J results, but it struck me reading [livejournal.com profile] epicharmus' suggestion of a poll of polls (the very thought!) that it's frustrating the the Village Voice didn't do singles/tracks polls before 1979. How can the opinion of Poptimists towards older music be best assessed?

Not like this, probably. What we have here is a poll based on the most recent Rolling Stone Top 500 Songs Of All Time. I ran out of patience after a mere 45 songs so this is the much-pored-over cream of the "rock canon" in its single-tracked form (not in 'singles form' - a few weighty album numbers sneak in). I removed the tracks that also appeared in Pazz and Jop polls, for comparability purposes with the gigantic spreadsheet. In practise this was only THREE songs - can anyone guess which they were (without peeking at rollingstone.com)?

Anyway I thought it would be interesting to get some poptimists perspectives on the 'rock canon' as it has been handed down to us by J Wenner Esq and friends.

You get FIFTEEN picks from an inapt 45 tracks.


[Poll #907822]


The second 'week in pop' poll will appear tomorrow, for the selfish reason that I can listen to a few of the tracks in it before then.
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PTS OF ORDER

Date: 2007-01-16 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
- I haven't heard most of these. Only ticked about 8.
- One of those ticks was for 'Satisfaction'. I don't like the original but I do like the covers by Bjork/PJ Harvey, Britney Spears and Cat Power.
- Another of those ticks was for 'Bridge Over Troubled Water'. I have not heard the original but I love Leona Lewis's cover.
- Conclusion: bollocks to the rock canon innit.

Date: 2007-01-16 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
The Beatles songs on that seem really not representative of their best tunes, imo. That probably says more about me than about the poll, mind.

I may have to spend the rest of the afternoon listening to Bob Dylan.

Date: 2007-01-16 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
About half of the above stuff I *really* love, but the other half = botherd.

Also I don't think I ticked anything from after 1970.

Conclusion: soul canon >>>>>>>>> rock canon.

Re: Ballads

Date: 2007-01-16 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
because their a bunch of big girl's blouses?

also "most recent poll"? is it from 1988 or summat (ha, and if it wasn't for "born to run" it could be from 1981!)?

Date: 2007-01-16 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Agree re: Beatlesband. None of their songs above are particularly inspiring or fun w/ poss exception of Help! - tho I have 0 idea why that is there and I Feel Fine is not.

correction

Date: 2007-01-16 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
...is about porking George Harrison's wife while his guitar gently weeps...


obv.

Re: Info For The Lex

Date: 2007-01-16 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
And a truly terrible acoustical version which 99% of teenage boys learning to play the guitar have attempted to play at some point or another because they can't afford an electric yet.

Re: Info For The Lex

Date: 2007-01-16 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
It sounds horrendous. Most of these do, actually.

Date: 2007-01-16 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
i really can't be @r$ed to vote in this, so here is an interview with Robert Xgau from the Higher Education section of today's grauniad (there is a great pic of him in the actual paper):

http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,,1990758,00.html

Other songs I was sad not to tick

Date: 2007-01-16 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
Righteous Bros
Heroes (not Bowie's best by a long way* but still good)
Hound Dog
J Cash
Tutti Frutti
Ike & Tina

*Golden Years wuz robbed!

Re: Ballads

Date: 2007-01-16 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com
hahaha, everyhit sa 87, maybe it was a rerelease over here though...

Re: Info For The Lex

Date: 2007-01-16 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
For once you're not wrong. There are some real gems here (old soul classiX0r) but for every grebt song there is a piece of utter dross next to it.

Omissions

Date: 2007-01-16 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Is "I heard It Through The Grapevine" one of the THREE? I'd be more confident here if you'd said you had omitted duplicates from NOW! polls rather than P&J (cos of Levis-related reissues innit). Whatever, it is the most grevious omission from this alleged "rock" "canon".

Is "Wonderwall" (another) one of the THREE?

What about "London Calling"?

Re: Omissions

Date: 2007-01-16 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com
Teen Spirit is one of 'em then, obv

Soul Bowl Mole Foal

Date: 2007-01-16 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
We certainly haven't covered much soul in the poptimist polls - I grew up on Atlantic/Motown stuff as [livejournal.com profile] graciousviv played me plenty of it when I was a nipper so I can't imagine life without Aretha/Otis/Martha etc. I could do a 'best soul album in teh world... ever!' poll and find out what everyone else thinks!

I don't really know enough about music critic history (perhaps I should go on Xgau's course!) to say why - were they all big r4ci4lists?

Re: Info For The Lex

Date: 2007-01-16 02:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] koganbot
Wait, they got soul horribly horribly horribly wrong as well. Even more than they got rock and pop wrong. But not as badly wrong as they got reggae. Will post about this below. (That said, there are just scads and scads of great songs to tick on this list. But some godawful ones as well.)

Date: 2007-01-16 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marnameow.livejournal.com
I'm quite fond of a couple of the Beatles songs there, especially A Day In the Life (I was quite obsessed with that one for a few months when I was thirteen or fourteen). But my top ten Beatles songs would possibly maybe include that, and wouldn't have *any* of the others on it.
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