[identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] poptimists
(arising from discussion on http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/)

Goths of whatever stripe tend to have a web of cultural reference points/shared interests which are not primarily musical i.e. Tim Burton, Neil Gaiman, Giger I guess for the techno-goth bods, etc. (I can think of plenty of things that *I* wd consider 'typically goth' but which more knowledgeable types might scoff at)

ANYWAY what are the non-musical cultural touchstones for Emo kids? Books, comix, films, TV, designers or styles, not really fashion cos that's fairly obvious/apparent...
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Date: 2006-08-02 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
is emily the strange emo or goth? i would not know obv!

Date: 2006-08-02 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
thick black specs.

Date: 2006-08-02 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] braisedbywolves.livejournal.com
Comix, v definitely. I don't know which off the top of my head, but deffo know it when I see it. James thingummy. Kochalca?

Date: 2006-08-02 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
is 'donnie darko' goth or emo?

hkm

Date: 2006-08-02 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] braisedbywolves.livejournal.com
None more neo-goth. NONE.

Date: 2006-08-02 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atommickbrane.livejournal.com
Converse trainx0rs. ONE TREE HILL (ie myself and the GFG are def emo)

ghost world? (film and/or comic)

Date: 2006-08-02 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
EtS is manifestly also goth hence not emo-specific

[livejournal.com profile] braisedbywolves's revealed theory was emo = goths who haven't had sex yet

Date: 2006-08-02 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
COMING THROUGH THE RYE

Date: 2006-08-02 02:45 pm (UTC)

i mean

Date: 2006-08-02 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
CATCHER IN THE RYE

Date: 2006-08-02 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
Immanuel! Weird-headed Immanuel!

Date: 2006-08-02 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com
NEITHER - Jake is fit.

Date: 2006-08-02 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dickmalone.livejournal.com
I posted too soon, but you can trace a lot of emo's stylistic and symbolic language to anime melodramas and end-credits music. Sometimes I think of emo as just anime end-credits music as played by kids that only know how to play hardcore.

Date: 2006-08-02 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] friedslice.livejournal.com
Adrian Tomine

Date: 2006-08-02 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] braisedbywolves.livejournal.com
Actually it turns out me + Alex are talking about the same thing, what the strange kids hanging around the centres of cities are these days. Bizarre but undeniable touchstone for them = Cobain!

Date: 2006-08-02 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dickmalone.livejournal.com
They also get a lot of their weird pseudo-female-friendly-sexism thing from anime.

Date: 2006-08-02 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
haha i think that's a bum steer tho -- "he is fit = this is a film"

THE GRADUATE

WE HAVE A NEXUS

Date: 2006-08-02 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
emo
glam
goth
grunge

all circle similar territory, with much shared material

haha also: where is pozpunk genre?

Re: WE HAVE A NEXUS

Date: 2006-08-02 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com
They all read Terry Pratchett, hahaha

Re: WE HAVE A NEXUS

Date: 2006-08-02 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com
glams don't! they have no "sense of humour"

Re: WE HAVE A NEXUS

Date: 2006-08-02 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com
I bet they have all read and loved Harry Potter -- their OTT 'friendship' rituals and pain-sharing = attempt to map Harry Potter school experience onto real adolescence.
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