IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION

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false metal = a subgenre of metal
fake rock = a subgenre of rock
bad pop = a subgenre of pop*

(also ps wow there is tons of grebt stuff on these threads!)

re the stones: the overlap year is 1966, when they were constantly in the charts, but "rock" had not yet firmed up as a "thing" (it was being done but not yet being pointed at unerringly) -- what's key to THEM tho is that they were already doing the "fake" thing as a self-marker -- they didn't play blues or R&B (old skool def) or country or soul, they played Fake Blues, Fake R&B, Fake Country, Fake Soul (not to be confused w.plastic soul!) (or indeed RUBBER SOUL!) -- later they purged their popness and became the "greatest rock'n'roll band in the world", and a certain amont of back formation and redefinition occurred

as actual overlap i would personally propose: under my thumb and mother's little helper