ext_380265 ([identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] poptimists2010-05-10 04:17 pm

It's the WORD World Cup (disclaimer: not really a world cup)

Hullo poptimists! For a project I am working on which I shall reveal soon(ish), I would like your wise suggestions in four categories:

viz
A: music writers all should read (two parts)
B: music writing all should read (two parts)
C: zone of exchange that all should learn from
D: music-related film or documentary all should see

Eventually there will be polls and everything!

The four sections above will entail SIX tranches of nomination. (Tranche is a fancy word for slice: as in "combination boo and hoo, my tranche of cake is smaller than [livejournal.com profile] katstevens's -- this crime shall not stand ect ect")

1: First, imagine you were inducting a reasonably intelligent outsider, of natural curiosity and openness, into the world of strong, useful, insightful or inspirational writing about music: which FOUR writers would you point them to? (Note: it can be any kind of music AT ALL...)

To start us off, I am going to name nine writers not to bother naming: they get a bye into the poll. DON'T WORRY OR BRIDLE: If you hate them, this is your chance to vote against them! I just want to get a slightly wider pool of potential entrants, really. The nine not to name are: Richard Meltzer, Robert Christgau, Greil Marcus, Lester Bangs, Jon savage, Paul Morley, Ian Penman, Richard Cook, Simon Reynolds. ALSO: Don't name me. I will be all over any project I am involved with. Known and active Poptimists (apart from me) you can of course name, though you're all kind of a given just by turning up.

2: Now imagine the pool of writers we generally get to see in a "best of music writing". Which FOUR writers would you like to see added to it that currently don't get in? (This can be based on a much smaller body of work I think...) Which writers do you think are overlooked or poorly understood? Which writers have an approach -- perhaps mainly directed at some "non-popular" music, or indeed some NON-music -- which you think would be valuable if others adopted it?

re 1&2: Please append to any writers nominated an exemplary work --book, interview, review, sleevenote, whatever, long or short, typical or atypical.

3: Name SIX books about music that everyone should read. It can be about ANY kind of music. But it can't be by any of the folk you nominated in 1 or 2 (so yes, you may have to do some juggling to get the results you favour...). If six such books do not yet exist, please say so.

4: Now name FOUR pieces that AREN'T books -- can be reviews, blog posts, comments -- that everyone should read (they can be collected in books; they just can't be books). Again: not by any of the folk you named in 1-3.

5: Name THREE zones of debate or discussion that were really hoppin. Thus for example: the Zigzag gossip column 1977-79; the comments threads on the War Against Silence in 2001; the reviews pages of the east Village Eye in 1967... They have to be accessible -- so eg not pub discussions on that amazing night or so-and-so's tutorials when x was in her class; they can be the whole of a magazine across a slice of time; or a website; or whatever you want that fits the bill. This is a question about chemistry of voices, voices that haven't perhaps been so strong or interesting when divorced from their co-squabblees.

6: Name SIX films or documentaries about music that everyone should see: ; non-fiction; fiction; biopic -- whatever. What matters is the question of how they deal with music itself: how they make it the subject, or backdrop, or whatever they do.

[identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com 2010-05-10 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
BLADDY HELL MATE, talk about getting the internet to do your homework for you ;) will have to go away and think about all of this...

6.

[identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com 2010-05-10 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
this is totally the easiest one:

This Is Spinal Tap
24 Hour Party People
The Decline of Western Civilization part 2: The Metal Years
In Bed With Chris Needham
A Hard Day's Night
Almost Famous

(most of these are for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reasons, but not all)

Re: 6.

[identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
actually I'm tempted to substitute Airheads for hard days night...

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[identity profile] glamwhorebunni.livejournal.com 2010-05-10 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
The Rutles
Party Monster
Yellow Submarine
This Is Spinal Tap
24 Hour Party People
School of Rock

Question 6

[identity profile] bengraham.livejournal.com 2010-05-10 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Ramones - End of the Century
Joe Strummer - The Future Is Unwritten
Stop Making Sense
The Commitments
Control
8 Mile

Combination boo and hoo

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2010-05-10 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I have only read a handful of music books so can be of little use for 1-3 - none of them really stand out as OMG LIFE CHANGING.

Oooo actually one music book I ♥ long time is Jane Bussman's Once In A Lifetime: The Crazy Days Of Acid House (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Once-Lifetime-Afterwards-Paradise-productions/dp/0753502607) which is GREBT as an insight for non-UK dudes as to what the hell was going on here 1987-1993/UK dudes who can't remember what was going on. It manages to be non-London-centric as well which is a plus.

4: GREAT POP THINGS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pop_Things)! Although this is now a book so not sure if it counts.

5: Hahaha Poptimists 2006-2008 :)

6: That Prog programme on BBC4 a few months ago was awesome. Dudes just staring into space anxiously reminiscing about how stressful the whole business was.
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-10 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Great, I've only got 50 names on my shortlist. This should be easy.

But anyhow...

1. FOUR writers I would point our intelligent outsider to:

LeRoi Jones (Blues People)
Simon Frith (Music For Pleasure)
Chuck Eddy (The Accidental Evolution of Rock 'N' Roll)
Alex Macpherson ("PARIS by PARIS HILTON, track by track: album of the year!")

(Would also add Ring Lardner, Tom Wolfe, Robert Palmer, Tom Ewing, Rob Sheffield, Ken Emerson, but you didn't give me room; Macpherson and Wolfe are the two you most need to reevaluate.)

[identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com 2010-05-13 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for nominating me, but why on earth that random livejournal post from years ago?! It's enthusiastic and the opinions are correct but it's not good.
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-10 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
2. FOUR writers who should be in the best-ofs but aren't:

--Ring Lardner ("Over The Waves: We're All Sisters Under the Hide of Me," The New Yorker, May 6, 1933)
--Ken Emerson (haven't read him in years, but he had the singles column in Fusion back in the early '70s, was tending to make the same points as Meltzer et al. about music coming with a whole world attached in which the minor stuff was crucial to the mattering etc., but in a tone of kindness like Tim Finney's, let's say; his Brill Building book is supposed to be good, and I have fond memories of an old Argent review)
--David Moore ("Oh, Songs: The-Dream - 'I Luv Your Girl'")
--Jonathan Bogart "(Ke$ha posts: the ultimate anonymous voice of trashy hedonism and excess" and "The way the vocals stumble and slur and bend off-pitch" and "Surely the 'brush my teeth with a bottle of Jack' line isn't about using Jack instead of water, but using it instead of toothpaste" and "There's a racial element to it (specially in America) which is worth sussing out too" and "Keep Tickin And Tockin Work It All Around The Clock")

(And last year I nominated Jonathan Bradley (Taylor Swift) and Kat ("If You Cirque Amy") and Erika (Lily Allen, Jay-Z) and Cis (Hello Saferide) for the Da Capo anthology, so obviously I think they belong in the best-ofs too. Also nominated Tom's Whitney Houston blurb in Popular, but he's already been in the anthologies, so perhaps he doesn't qualify, though maybe he does because I think what Mark really means is "people who aren't the usual suspects.")
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-10 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
3. Six books:

--Tom Wolfe The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby
--Otis Ferguson The Film Criticism Of Otis Ferguson*
--Mary Gaitskill Veronica**
--Robert Palmer Deep Blues
--Rob Sheffield Love Is A Mix Tape
--Stanley Booth The True Adventures Of The Rolling Stones

*Yes, it's about movies not music, but not only does it have musical content, e.g., Fred Astaire, but it wrestles with everything we're wrestling with
**It's a novel and not about a musician or a music scene but it is nonetheless saturated with music as reference and commentary
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-10 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
4. FOUR pieces that aren't books

--Charlotte Pressler "Those Were Different Times: A Memoir Of Cleveland Life: 1967-1973," originally in Cle magazine, 1978
--Elizabeth Shaw "First Record," Why Music Sucks #8, June 1995
--Patty Stirling, blindfold test comment on Cruel, Cruel Moon's "1000 Different Ways" in Why Music Sucks #9, February 1996*
--Paul Nelson "Newport Folk Festival, 1965," Sing Out!, November 1965 (includes a long segment written by Jim Rooney), reprinted in Bob Dylan: A Retrospective, ed. Craig McGregor

*The comment is 20 words in its entirety, and here they are: "New Zealand had the saddest guitars, as if they had no hope at all and had to find that pretty."
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-10 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
5. THREE zones of debate and discussion:

--Fusion and Creem magazines, approx. '69 through '76
--Why Music Sucks, 1987-91*
--Rolling Teenpop 2006 along with similar convos in/on [livejournal.com profile] poptimists and lj and Cure For Bedbugs etc.

*I like the later incarnation just as much, along with Radio On, but wanted to nominate other stuff, and anyway the original version was more squabbling.

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Blah, wish that the Haloscan fiasco hadn't left all those comment spaces barren for the time being. But I'm working on fixing that, since the comments are usually more interesting than the posts.

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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-10 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
6. SIX movies:



The TAMI Show
Mean Streets
The Harder They Come
Rebel Without A Cause*
Shall We Dance (the Astaire-Rogers film)
Letter From An Unknown Woman (Jourdan, Fontaine, Ophüls)

*Rebel not mentioned for the music that's in it (I assume there's plenty in the background, but I don't remember) but just that it is rock 'n' roll in its emotions and ideas way more than any '50s movie that actually purports to be about the subject.
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-11 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Letter is really there 'cause it makes me think of the New York Dolls and of my friend Maureen.

[identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
ok, given my lack of nominations for q 1 i'm not sure if this will work, but here are some books about music where the writers wouldn't get into my non-existant list.

The Manual by Bill Drummond
The Dirt by Motley Crue
The Guinness Book of UK Hit Singles (any given edition)
Ginger Geezer - The Life of Vivian Stanshall by Lucian Randall and Chris Welch
GREAT ROCK THINGS by Colin Morton and Chuck Death
[will edit if i think of another one]
Edited 2010-05-11 10:01 (UTC)

6.

[identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
6. The BBC series 'Dancing In The Streets: A History Of Rock n' Roll' which iirc had between 4 and 6 parts but having been made in the mid-90s could do with updating. It was very 'by the book', an unseen narrator (yaaay!) and the right people just talking camera directly talking about the music and why things happened as they did so you got insight and info from the artists in a v pleasing direct way. Difficult to obtain tho so perhaps disregard this!

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[identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
That reminds me of Scorsese's documentary series about the blues, also worth checking out.

[identity profile] sbp.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
6:
Standing in the Shadows of Motown
High Tech Soul, the creation of Techno music
Metallica: Some Kind of Monster
Woodstock
It Might Get Loud
Live Aid? I dunno.

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, I may change my mind about some of these, but this is my initital run-through. Way too white male-dominated, but I'm just being honest. Wasn't clear whether we should avoid choices that others had already nominated; if so, I can ammend. Also should mention that maybe the question should be posted at rockcritics.com and other places as well, to get more varied responses? Or maybe that's already happening?

Anyway, here goes.

FOUR MUSIC WRITERS INTELLIGENT OUTSIDERS SHOULD READ
-- Frank Kogan (Real Punks Don't Wear Black)
-- Simon Frith (Sound Effects: Youth Leisure And The Politics Of Rock'n'Roll) -- already nominated by Frank
-- Michael Freedberg (various Boston Phoenix pieces, late '70s and through the '80s)

(Still haggling about my fourth nomination here. Considering Rob Sheffield, Michaelangelo Matos, Greg Tate, other folks; don't really want to narrow it down to one, so I won't.)
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-11 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Should have had Freedberg on my extended list (also liked John Leland's singles column in late '80s Spin), and some other dance writers as well, but the last thing Mark needs is an extended list. Metal Mike Saunders Britney review c. 2000 may be my favorite thing you ever ran at the Voice.

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FOUR USUALLY MISSING FROM BEST-OFS WHO SHOULDN'T BE

-- Rick Johnson (Rick Johnson Reader)
-- Metal Mike Saunders (Phonograph Record Magazine and Creem early '70s; Village Voice through the '00s; etc.)
-- Scott Seward (Village Voice and Decibel '00s)
-- Phil Dellio (Canadian publications '80s; Radio On '90s, etc.)

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
SIX BOOKS (may well ammend a couple of these if I remember others I forgot; left out The Rolling Stone Illustrated History Of Rock & Roll since it includes several writers you said were off limits.)

-- The Rolling Stone Record Guide, original red edition from 1978, Dave Marsh and John Swenson, editors
-- Robert Duncan The Noise: Notes From A Rock'N'Roll Era
-- Nick Tosches Unsung Heroes Of Rock'n'Roll
-- Nik Cohn Rock From The Beginning
-- David Wondrich Stomp and Swerve: American Music Gets Hot 1843-1924
-- Dana Spiotta Eat The Document

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Oops, actually that RS Record Guide is 1979, not 1978. (Also love the second, blue edition from 1983, but later editions are mostly useless.)

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
FOUR PIECES THAT AREN'T BOOKS (these are almost off the top of my head; I'm sure there are hundreds of others I'm not thinking of right now)

-- Ken Tucker "A Readable Guide To Unlistenable Crap" (Village Voice, Jan 20 1982)
-- Tony Green (AKA N. Bedford Crouch) "Self Hating Hicks" (Village Voice, Nov. 27 2001)

http://www.villagevoice.com/2001-11-27/music/self-hating-hicks/1

-- Joe Carducci "The Psychozoic Hymnal" (from his book Rock And The Pop Narcotic)

(Still pondering several choices for my fourth one here.)

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"N. Bedford Couch", actually -- not Crouch.

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SIX MUSIC-RELATED MOVIES

-- Saturday Night Fever
-- American Graffiti
-- Diner
-- Dazed And Confused
-- Over The Edge
-- Anvil: The Story Of Anvil

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-12 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
By the way, I have a feeling the list above would change drastically if I was more versed in early rock'n'roll and pre-rock'n'roll music-themed movies. It's sort of shameful than I'm not, really, but there are only so many hours in a lifetime, and I've never been an obsessive movie watcher, anyway. Also, my memory for movies pales against my memory for music -- there are undoubtedly movies I've seen that should be up there, but they're just not coming to mind. Over The Edge, especially, is really just a stand-in until I think of something better.

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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-11 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's a "Books You Can Dance To: The Best Books Ever Written About Pop Music" from Simon Frith, though I neglected to write a where or when on the margin when I clipped it; I'm guessing The East Bay Express in the mid to late '80s. Obv. there are more than six, and include a couple that Mark listed already:

--Nik Cohn Awopbopaloobopaloopbamboom: Pop From The Beginning (1969), which I'm guessing is just a retitling of Rock From The Beginning.
--George Melly Revolt Into Style (1970)
--Alfred Wertheimer Elvis '56
--Paul Nelson and Lester Bangs Rod Stewart (1981)
--Mark Shipper Paper-Back Writer (1977)
--Phil Hardy and Dave Laing The Encyclopedia of Rock
--Fred and Judy Vermorel Starlust (1985)
--Kenneth Pitt David Bowie: The Pitt Report (1983)
--Neil Tennant Smash Hits Yearbook 1983
--Greil Marcus Mystery Train (1975)

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Pop From The Beginning was the title in the U.K., actually. (Which means the U.S. version was probably the retitling, I'm guessing.)

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[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Almost forgot!

THREE HOPPIN' FORUMS

-- Creem and Creem Metal, early '70s though late '80s (with special attention given to the letters pages)
-- Radio On, early/mid '90s
-- Village Voice music section, early '00s

(Honorable mentions: Singles Jukebox 2009; ILX Rolling Country thread 2005-2010)

[identity profile] chuckeddy.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Why Music Sucks another honorable mention, obviously; definitely would have nominated it if Frank hadn't already done so.

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/xyzzzz__/ 2010-05-11 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
1: which FOUR writers would you point them to? (Note: it can be any kind of music AT ALL...)

Max Harrison (for his books and reviews in Wire)
Ian Pace (the sleeve note to Finnisy's 'Red earth' disc on NMC, plenty of posts in Message boards/interviews -- might be able to drag stuff out)
Ben Watson (numerous books and articles)
Ken Hollings (articles in Wire)


2: Now imagine the pool of writers we generally get to see in a "best of music writing". Which FOUR writers would you like to see added to it that currently don't get in? (This can be based on a much smaller body of work I think...) Which writers do you think are overlooked or poorly understood? Which writers have an approach -- perhaps mainly directed at some "non-popular" music, or indeed some NON-music -- which you think would be valuable if others adopted it?

re 1&2: Please append to any writers nominated an exemplary work --book, interview, review, sleevenote, whatever, long or short, typical or atypical.


Stefan Jaworzyn (for the Scum List)
Adorno (possibly poorly understood, by myself as much as anyone else)


3: Name SIX books about music that everyone should read. It can be about ANY kind of music. But it can't be by any of the folk you nominated in 1 or 2 (so yes, you may have to do some juggling to get the results you favour...). If six such books do not yet exist, please say so.

LeRoi Jones - Blues people
Sun Ra's biog
Morton Feldman - Give my Regards to Eight Street
John Cage - Silence
Frank Kofsky's bk on Coltrane
Derek Bailey's bk on improv


4: Now name FOUR pieces that AREN'T books -- can be reviews, blog posts, comments -- that everyone should read (they can be collected in books; they just can't be books). Again: not by any of the folk you named in 1-3.

Dave Q blog post is great (from Jan 2nd) -- http://scrape.blogspot.com/
Steven Wells piece on Napalm Death (its online somewhere)
Renewable Music Blog - http://renewablemusic.blogspot.com/ (its my fave for new music) (Love his 'Landmark' series)
Robin C's Live Journal (need it to refresh myself on specific posts)



5: Name THREE zones of debate or discussion that were really hoppin.

ilx (2002- current)
poptimists (round the NOW polls time)
Some of the Wire round Tony Herrington's time in 2002-05? (can't think of much else tbh)


6: Name SIX films or documentaries about music that everyone should see: ; non-fiction; fiction; biopic -- whatever. What matters is the question of how they deal with music itself: how they make it the subject, or backdrop, or whatever they do.

Control (like that it was so much about what was outside the music and band bubble)
8 Mile
Harder they Come
The Piano Teacher (I would say it is about giving yourself to music and the cost)
All the rock/jazz/synth etc 'britannia' docs on BBC4 (ws talking to someone at a do and we agree its almost how not to do music docs)
The John Peel narrated doc on Beefheart which is so funny and re-watchable

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/xyzzzz__/ 2010-05-11 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Lolz er scrap 2. they're both not current.

I kinda wanna name ppl outside ilx/poptimists but I don't read enough music press these days :-(
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[personal profile] koganbot 2010-05-11 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't have to be current at all, just don't "currently get in" the anthologies. But Adorno does get in the anthologies. At least I've got him in a couple (albeit one from 1957).

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm tempted to do an ALL WOMYN list since a lot of my obvious ones are already taken, but I don't know if I know the writing well enough.

Anyway, I'd put Ellen Willis on the must-read list, but not just for her music criticism.

Three current must-reads -- Julianne Shepherd, Maura Johnston, Geeta Dayal.

Will need to think about this a bit before I answer the others, just wanted to get some girls in the mix.

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Convenient Ellen Willis Tumblr blog here: http://ellenwillis.tumblr.com

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[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2010-05-11 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
OK, my four "not in anthologies" picks:

William B. Swygart
Mike Barthel
Erika Villani
Alfred Soto

Honorable mentions for Rodney Greene, Jordan Sargeant, and a few other Jukebox contributors.

(I also think a lot of Poptimists contributors fit the bill -- [livejournal.com profile] poptasticuk, [livejournal.com profile] piratemoggy, [livejournal.com profile] katstevens, [livejournal.com profile] petronia, [livejournal.com profile] weasel_seeker, [livejournal.com profile] cis, all of whom I think I nommed for Da Capo this year via Jukebox.)

Four books that haven't been mentioned (along with the collected Christgau consumer guides and Bangs anthologies, which I assume are covered under your "don't name these critics" list):

Sonata for Jukebox by Geoffrey O'Brien
This Is Your Brain on Music by Daniel Levitin
The Real Frank Zappa Book by Frank Zappa and Peter Occhiogrosso
Performing Rites by Simon Frith

Four pieces that aren't books:

--Scott Woods's interviews (http://rockcritics.com/category/interviews/) with any number of critics (DeRogatis, Kogan, Eddy, etc.)

-- Tom Ewing on ABBA (http://pitchfork.com/features/poptimist/6632-poptimist-5/) and Gorillas (http://pitchfork.com/features/poptimist/6696-poptimist-8/) (not Gorillaz)

-- Jane Dark on Melodic Range (http://janedark.com/2006/12/26_singles_of_the_yearmelodic.html)

-- Mike Barthel, "The Death of the Tusk Era," which has been conveniently wiped off the face of the earth/Idolator (bleah) but is basically about the crumbling of the music industry using Kelly Clarkson's My December as jumping off point.

Conversation zones (of which I have been a member):

-- My back and forth with Susan at Fairytale in the Supermarket here (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2485230402686571805&postID=301522606875116266&pli=1) (and in surrounding posts)

-- HUMP DAY (http://www.cureforbedbugs.com/2007/05/hump-day.html)!

-- Migration to Tumblr has its pros and cons -- but I think the Ke$ha back 'n' forth this year (partially linked above by Frank re: Jonathan Bogart) is the best convo I've had in 2010.

-- Not a member of this one, exactly, but really liked the convo on ILM at Ashlee Simpson: Emo or Oh No (http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?action=showall&boardid=41&threadid=34085) (a proto-teenpop-thread thing).

(I think [livejournal.com profile] dubdobdee's "Ambushed by Emotion" idea has yet to get the convo that it really deserves.)

mike barthel's kelly clarkson piece

[identity profile] maura.livejournal.com 2010-05-12 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
found it (http://idolator.com/277691/everybody-hates-kelly-why-the-tusk-era-is-officially-over).

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