ext_380265 ([identity profile] dubdobdee.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] poptimists2006-05-25 01:42 pm

IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION

false metal = a subgenre of metal
fake rock = a subgenre of rock
bad pop = a subgenre of pop*

(also ps wow there is tons of grebt stuff on these threads!)

re the stones: the overlap year is 1966, when they were constantly in the charts, but "rock" had not yet firmed up as a "thing" (it was being done but not yet being pointed at unerringly) -- what's key to THEM tho is that they were already doing the "fake" thing as a self-marker -- they didn't play blues or R&B (old skool def) or country or soul, they played Fake Blues, Fake R&B, Fake Country, Fake Soul (not to be confused w.plastic soul!) (or indeed RUBBER SOUL!) -- later they purged their popness and became the "greatest rock'n'roll band in the world", and a certain amont of back formation and redefinition occurred

as actual overlap i would personally propose: under my thumb and mother's little helper

[identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com 2006-05-25 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
fake anything = POP

Re: paging mr hegel

[identity profile] chezghost.livejournal.com 2006-05-25 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
The Knife are Indie, Dance, Pop and Goth all at the same time which is why they are so WUVVED.

[identity profile] anthonyeaston.livejournal.com 2006-05-26 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
is this where i talk about liz phairs cover of mothers little helper on the deperate housewives soundtrack, or how much i hate both of those songs for their misogyny?