ext_281244 ([identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] poptimists2007-10-15 01:04 pm

TV vs Radio

I was going to post this as a comment on the Aly and AJ thread but I thought I'd give it its own post. I have to admit this is founded not at all in any kind of fact! Anyway here is my theory:

If yr a radio playlister or researcher your main desire is to stop people switching over: a lot of people stick to a single radio station and don't channel hop much so if someone switches over or off you might not get them back for a while. Video channels are far more accepting of switching, because TV users channel hop more.

So imagine songs being scored on a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 meaning "awful, would switch off/over", 5 meaning "terrific, would stop channel-hopping if I found it", and 2-4 being various degrees of like/dislike which cause no immediate behavioural reaction. Obviously you want the songs on your playlist to have as high an average score among your listeners as possible. But on radio you want to minimise the 1-scorers, and on video channels you want to maximise the 5 scorers. If a song like Aly and AJ has 2/3 "5" and 1/3 "1" reactions, it will have a higher average score than a song with all "3"s but will be a much bigger risk for a radio station.

And I think Aly & AJ IS that kind of song - the way it starts so breathlessly, it's in-yr-face with its poppiness and if you dislike teenpop in general I'd guess you'll find that less palatable than "Gimme More" or "About You Now". So even beyond the demographics there's a reason why it might hit on video and not radio.

Speaking of demographics, I guess Radio 1 and other stations must have a very firm idea about what age people start listening to radio regularly, and I would imagine that average age is getting nearer and nearer to the age they start driving. I get the impression that Radio 1 has basically given up on yr actual kids, which makes them much less likely to take a chance on something with kid appeal.

[identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
According to musicweek "the [BBC's annual report] suggested that [Radio 1] was under-performing in its target audience of 15- to 29-year-olds" hence launching a new Sunday night show aimed at pulling in 12-16 yr olds.

I think Radio 1 bases its decisions on different premises from commercial radio, where Tom's argument is certainly the logical one. Having spoken to commercial radio playlisters (admittedly a number of years ago) my impression is that there principle is 'don't frighten the horses' and they definitely programme for the middle ground. Radio 1's baseline seems to be something like 'nothing too naff', which would make sense as their edge over commercial stations would come from being 'cool', or at least being what they think 'cool' will mean to their target audience (and which may be losing ground in relation to how their audience actually thinks). 'Naff' would mean 'too much like what my parents like' or 'too much like what my younger brother / sister likes'. HOWEVER my perception is that the generational divide is actually closing up i.e. it is now easier than ever for parents and kids to like the same music, or certainly this is the case with those who listen to Radio 1.

I'm not really surprised that A&AJ haven't broken big though, as the UK/US markets just seem to have totally diverged in relation to 'pop'. I don't see this as some sort of death of pop though, just that pop means something different here.

[identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
duh 'their principle' obv.
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[personal profile] koganbot 2007-10-15 12:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not breaking through onto U.S. Top 40 either, and I think the reasons are identical.

[identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
launching a new Sunday night show aimed at pulling in 12-16 yr olds.

it is not annie nightingale request show = IT WILL FAIL.

[identity profile] byebyepride.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Well this would be why 'pop that sounds like pop' has been squeezed out from both sides in favour of 'pop that sounds like soft rock' i.e. Virgin radio has won! The generational thing is that trad rock values as merged with ossified punk (i.e. indie) is now on top but with no challenger, since it perfectly integrates rebellion with reaction (this is what Cheap Trick could already see happening with Surrender obv, so may not be a new thing, or it may only be a new thing for the UK? Limit of my competence to say I guess)

[identity profile] carsmilesteve.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 02:06 pm (UTC)(link)
hahahaha, how "convenient" ;)

[identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
So can we see a way out/back from here?
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[personal profile] koganbot 2007-10-15 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
But Avril's "Girlfriend" hit number one in the U.K. The openings are there, but maybe too few of them (so, programmers may think, "We've already played 'Girlfriend' and 'Too Little Too Late' and 'With Every Heartbeat' recently, won't take a chance on the relatively unknown Aly & A.J. until somebody else does").

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
(Avril got to number 2 officially, but we'll let you off!)

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It did. I'm changing it now.
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[personal profile] koganbot 2007-10-15 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
It also lists "Potential Breakup Song" under the wrong Tim James. It's actually (or probably) this guy, who's listed in the Tim James disambiguation page as "musician," as opposed to the wrong one, who's listed as a "songwriter." (BMI's website isn't loading right, or I could link you to the correct info, if you're in the mood to make a change on Wiki. The correct Tim James is also called Timothy James Price, and worked with Antonina Armato on Hoku's "How Do I Feel" and "Another Dumb Blonde" prior to their working with Aly & A.J. The incorrect Tim James is also called Timothy James Auringer, and seems to be somewhat older.)(And half the time the people on Wiki get Antonina Armato's name wrong, calling her "Antonia" or "Antonio.") (I know, I could change them myself, but I've never tried to edit on Wiki.)

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, good old BMI. They never cause us any problems at work unlike some societies (YES that means YOU, APRA, and your rubbish website). If I started updating songwriters on wiki I'd be there all blimmin day :)

[identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com 2007-10-15 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Though actually it's v easy to envisage in a different time/place (eg...2000!), Kate Nash et al being seen as precisely both too naff and too immediately off-putting! whereas Aly & AJ would slip neatly into the Britney slipstream wich gave us Mandy Moore, Samantha Mumba, Simpson Sr &c.