ext_281244 ([identity profile] freakytigger.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] poptimists2007-10-04 05:12 pm

Context and Anticontext

Quite unformed thorts based on Frank K's latest column and discussion of same - see here: http://koganbot.livejournal.com/26897.html

Music has a social context, obv - who else is listening to stuff you encounter, both people you know and people you don't but you assume things (good or bad) about.

It also has an anticontext (erm this is just another part of the context rly but I wanted a snappy name for it) - people who AREN'T listening to it, because they don't like it or because they don't know about it.

But not everyone who doesn't listen to something matters in terms of the anticontext - my reaction to Keane, say, is affected by my imagining Mums listening to Keane, and NME readers mostly not listening to Keane, but isn't significantly affected by Amazon tribesmen not listening to Keane, or by my Great Aunt Betty not listening to Keane. The Amazon tribesmen and Great Aunt Betty are not part of the anticontext here: the NME readers are.

Context and especially anticontext are obviously hugely important in enclosed social spheres, like school or University, and then maybe the anticontext fades from importance a bit later in life.

Here's my theory - the anticontext has shrunk, steadily, since the 1960s. The sense that a random guy on the street, or someone of a different agegroup, or someone not dressing the same as you, is part of the anticontext, has diminished (with occasional seismic flare-ups). And also, MAYBE, the size of the potential context is directly related to the size of the anticontext (since just as not every non-listener is in the anticontext, not every listener is in the context).

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure that's quite right - the anti-context has shrunk since the 60s because it's harder to avoid hearing music of all genres, everywhere you go. If you have any vague interest in the music (and hence being part of the relevant context/anti-context) then you will (consciously or not) absorb it wandering round shops, watching adverts on the telly, hearing the person across the office's mobile playing the intro to The Final Countdown over and over again. Music is thrust upon you and it's not just pop - I remember being flabberghasted that a bit of continuity music for 'what's coming up next on BBC2' was off Michael Mayer's Fabric 13 mix!

So perhaps the change has occured in the greater use of pre-existing music for telly/film/ads/hold music/ringtones rather than commissioning someone to write music especially (interestingly this type of music has never been of much interest to the pop music fan other than as a novelty hit, but Great Aunt Betty will probably have a copy of Greatest Bond Themes in her dresser).

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I could include interwebs & multi-channel telly/radio in the harder-to-avoid environmental factors, but a) they have arrived relatively late in the 60s-present timescale b) they require active participation from the listener rather than being a passive side-effect of another action (eg walking into Topshop because you need to buy jeans and hearing an amazing bosh remix of Kiri Te Kanewa).

[identity profile] lockedintheatti.livejournal.com 2007-10-05 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Although you assume an active interest in music there - the anti-context may have shrunk for people as actively engaged with music as us, but I have a lot of friends who merely *like* music and it baffles me how they avoid hearing (or claiming to have heard) things that I presume everyone has heard.

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2007-10-05 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
I may well be getting confused with the terminology! I was assume that the active interest meant you were part of the context/anti-context sphere.

[identity profile] lockedintheatti.livejournal.com 2007-10-05 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
I may be the one who may be confused. I suppose I was defining it as my own personal context - so most of my friends are part of my context as they who are who I spend most of my time with and in real life have most conversations about music with.

[identity profile] lockedintheatti.livejournal.com 2007-10-05 09:38 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I get it now. I'd agree that the anti-context is pretty big (and even vocal) during polarising new movements in music such as the ones you mention above, and that isn't present at the moment as there is no one current thing so big and new and different for people not to get.

However there is still, in my experience, a very large bedrock of anti-context amongst the man in the street (and I do mean man, largely) in terms of general rockist attitudes to pop in particular.
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[personal profile] koganbot 2007-10-05 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I'm understanding better now. I just was taking "anticontext" to be something like alternative, but I take it that anticontext is whoever I'm defining as the oppositional (or at least contrasted-against) people. (But isn't the "anticontext" still part of the context?)
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Rap and country

[personal profile] koganbot 2007-10-05 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
But I'm still not sure I'm understanding why you think the anticontext is shrinking. Would it be that there's less of an ability for a genre to stake out its claim "This is our music and these are our fans and the rest of you don't get it"? So there are no great Us vs. Them splits as in the days of yore, since They end up being uncooperatively tolerant and curious. Um, you may be right, but I sure seem to have inadvertantly discovered a huge anticontext when it comes to teenpop. But my guess is that many in the primary audience for, say, High School Musical and Hannah Montana and the Cheetah Girls (which isn't the teenpop that's been winning my heart, for the most part, except that an HSM track got into my P&J top ten last year and a Miley Cyrus track will this year) don't particularly have a sense of an anticontext or get affected by it. But I could be all wrong.

Several performers have created major anticontexts for themselves recently: E.g., Eminem in 2000 and Paris Hilton in 2006. As a genre, hip-hop still seems as if it has the biggest anticontext. And what about country? In '99 Kevin John entitled his fanzine "The magazine of rap and country" because he'd read some alternative-leaning magazine that declared, "We like everything except for rap and country."