ext_83617 ([identity profile] alexmacpherson.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] poptimists2007-07-22 06:03 pm
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I had you SUICIDAL! SUICIDAL!

So if you don't know yet that 'Beautiful Girls' by Sean Kingston is on the cusp of being inescapable, this is where you start to prepare yourself. I love it; totally ridiculous, slightly inappropriate, and massively charming emo-dancehall. How much you like it may depend on whether you find the thought of primary school kids singing "SUICIDAL! SUICIDAL!" cute or wrong.



And JoJo's covered it from the girl's point of view! I love JoJo but I think this is the first time she's shown, you know, humour in her art.



Not suicidal is Róisín Murphy - this is a bit old now (I assume it flopped then, le sigh) but I love the video.

[identity profile] skyecaptain.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I like Jojo's cover a little better because of the role reversal...the suicidal part is a little lighter/makes more sense that way. With Sean, I want him to go completely over the top with it, to make LESS sense than he does, like Rihanna in "Unfaithful" -- he could detail the ways in which one might off himself after being scorned by a beautiful girl, even though this would bring him somewhat close to "One More Minute" by Weird Al. Wait, maybe because of that. Wish Jojo's production was as breezy as his, though, it's a bit nondescript. But the lyrics hit harder from the girl's point of view (seriously, he's suicidal and the best he can do is just say that he is? Gimme some hilariously overwrought metaphors or something...).

[identity profile] katstevens.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to say I'm not massively impressed by the Sean/Jojo. It's alright but the sample is too heavy. I bet I'll be bouncing around to it on All Dancefloors in three weeks' time, mind.

That Roisin vid is awesome though. She's sat on the bog! Brushing her teeth! This is the sort of multitasking that all popstars should master to earn MY RESPECT.

[identity profile] cis.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 09:56 am (UTC)(link)
my problem with the Sean Kingston, which otherwise I love for al its fifties stylings, is when he sings 'it was back in '99, watching movies all the time, when i went away for doing my first crime'. SK looks about sixteen? So he's still bangin' on about some girl who left him when he went into juvie at the age of eight? I love nonsense for the sake of a rhyme as much as the next girl, but there are some things up with which I will not put.

I find the Jojo version really bland? idk. pretty funny when she sings 'when i dutty wine' with such clear enunciation.

[identity profile] jeff-worrell.livejournal.com 2007-07-23 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, all kind of layers in this (factoring in both the SK video and the song). Not something that I can articulate in a throwaway comment anyway.

Like [livejournal.com profile] cis, I thought the JoJo version subtracted rather than added. But I wasn't paying much attention to the lyrics. Normally, I'll instinctively side with the female where these song / answer song deals are concerned. So maybe when I've worked out the words, I'll reconsider.

SK though: talk about messing with totems. He trashes at least three in that vid.

[identity profile] mackromackro.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe it's for the best, but I'm surprised no one touched the "Suicidal, Suidicial" bit. I like this song, even though it will be a kinda-dancehall-ish "Stand By Me" for me, as far as how I remember it. I think there may even be rocksteady, dub, or reggae covers of "Stand By Me" to make the lines more blurry.

Anyway, I can tell you that this single would be banned in the U.S. for that word repeated twice. We're still a horribly nanny culture here. Then again, we're the type of country that could produce that one fellow who breaks up with a girl, decides to off himself in his car off a cliff with THIS song blaring in the car stereo before he pummels, therefore making Sean Kingston a gazillionare artist in the U.S.

DEATH SELLS IN THE STATES! REALLY WELL! ALL THE TIME! I'm surprised the song hasn't even brushed against this side of the Atlantic yet.

[identity profile] cis.livejournal.com 2007-07-24 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking, earlier, about the meaning of the 'stand by me' sample in the SK version: aren't the song and the sample commenting on one another? If the sample's a synecdoche for the whole original song - 'i won't be afraid... so long as you stand by me' versus 'they have you suicidal when they say it's over', feeling safe when she's with you versus feeling destroyed when she leaves you. Whereas the video's clearly treating the sample as a synecdoche for the whole doo-wop/fifties-pop genre, though, the enduring traces of that soda-fountain kind of life -- it's almost too easy (though what's kind of uneasy is that the fifties stylings make you extra-aware of the racial makeup: has anything changed, and so on).
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[personal profile] koganbot 2007-07-25 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm running out of space on my hard drive, so I ended up deleting this when it came through on Jukebox. It's nice enough, actually, and I'm not going to mind hearing it a thousand times, but it falls into a tepid nowhere for me. An actual Jamaican ska group from the early '60s (such as the Wailers: that's my favorite time for them, actually, when they were essentially trying to be an r&b vocal group like the Impressions but with forays into rock 'n' roll and garage rock) would have done this even lighter - the singing would have been a barely visible mist - yet it would have had 100 times the intensity and sweetness.

When I'd just turned nine (and was planning my first crime, perhaps) my favorite song on the radio began "Why does the sun go on shining?/Why does the sea rush to shore?/Don't they know it's the end of the world/'Cause you don't love me anymore." My mother managed not to get upset by this, though of course my subsequent dissolute and unregenerate life was caused by my being allowed to hear the song.

Anyway, I read the ilX thread on this thread. Joy and intelligence seem to have abandoned ilX.
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[personal profile] koganbot 2007-07-25 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
The Roisin Murphy vid is brilliant, warms the whole song up for me, though I'm not sure if I can explain why. Reminds me of that Bob Dylan line: "But these visions of Johanna make it all seem so cruel." Sweets from the shop, drunken lout on the bus home, a mob giving chase to someone (unexplained), all end up refracting into her mood of discontent.