to be fair, i think this has evolved along with the emo-isation of indie

thebopkids esp.will (rightly) note existence of a actual real live danbcing till dawn community who believed that what constituted indie in (say) 1984 was the same as and would again soon be pop's idea of pop

and koganbot will (rightly) note that modern pop exists because of the eruption into the mainstream of of all manner of small-label R&B (50s defn)